valve body

[Driftwood Ram]

Scott:



Here is all I have to say on this ;



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28658

 

[Joe G.]

Just an old grey wolf I guess.

Frankly I see nothing wrong with the particpants in those posts who advocate DTT. What I smell here is an attempt at censorship and maybe intimidation. Well, I guess I'm an elderly member of the "pack of wolves" and will continue to recommend DTT. And will vocally defend my recommendations.

 

[Scollins]

Re: Just an old grey wolf I guess.

Originally posted by Joe G.

Frankly I see nothing wrong with the particpants in those posts who advocate DTT. What I smell here is an attempt at censorship and maybe intimidation. Well, I guess I'm an elderly member of the "pack of wolves" and will continue to recommend DTT. And will vocally defend my recommendations.

Censorship and intimidation? Where have I advocated that? You obviously misunderstand my ire. I do not have any issues with DTT products, nor BD's or Bank's or anybody else's for that matter. I have no personal experience with any of them.



My problem is with the way people choose to vocalize their support. Why, with rare exception, do the threads get so heated, some to the point where moderators have to step in and lock it down? THAT is my problem. I have no issue with someone who wants to support the products they buy, but when that support becomes so heated that it discourages open discussion, I have an issue with it. You have to be pretty thick skinned around here to support BD transmissions, or Bank's products or any other brand's tranmission products.



Bob indicated that he had some issue with the originating post of this thread, that it pointed to some pattern. What is the pattern? An attempt to advocate BD transmission products by having a few threads open about them? Is that bad? Well, if it is, then why are threads about how great DTT products are not shown the same scrutiny? This site definately has its "darling" vendors, and its share of the "bad guys. "



Here is another question: How much of the evidence that a particular company/product/service is the best or worst is anecdotal? Wouldn't it be necessary to have direct experience with all of the brands to determine who is the best and worst? If your only direct exposure to a product is in comparison to stock parts, how can you make a determination that something is the best?



Having said that, can I say whether DTT has the best or worst transmission or customer service? NO, because I have had no direct experience with either. Can I say BD has the best or worst transmission products? Again, NO. If you have had only stock parts or DTT parts in your truck, how can you say the DTT is the best?



Lastly, at no time in any of my posts have I either advocated or denounced ANY brands products nor service. That was not my direction. My direction has been with way people vehemently defend their product choice. I think people can be passionate about their choice, but lets get rid of the attacking, adversarial manner in which a lot of that passion is delivered.

 

[Fireman]

Gentlemen, Gentlemen, Gentlemen !

I've read two pages and NOone has answered SRehberg's question,(except Bob who attemped to direct him to another thread). This debate will never end. Let us agree that we disagree, and move on and try to help a fellow member with his question.



Thanks all

Fireman

 

[pwr2tow]

Scott,

Thanks for putting it straight.



I sit here every night and sometimes in the morning thinking to myself do I even want to read any of these threads, I even contimplated not renewing my subscription because of all the bashing some new people and new manufacture's get when they come on the board (I just renewed last night). I get soooo pissed at these threads because it seams to me that some people intimidate others and no one wants to be the bad guy by speaking out against anothers product or to say they had a bad experience with someones product for fear of retaliation. I work in a elementary school and most of the children behave better than some people on this board. I know this is a free country and everyone has a right to their opinion and to deminstrate it but that freedom ends where some one else's Rights begins.



It would be nice if everyone had some common courtesy and respect.



I not trying to say I'am perfect, hell look at some of my spelling and gramer. I have been wrong in the past and I know I will be in the future. I know there have been many times I could of flamed someones product but If I look at the whole picture I would be doing everyone an injustice.



Sorry to everyone for the long post but I just wanted to say something about this without my blood pressure causeing me to pass out.



Ron

 

[SRehberg]

I want to thank all for the input regarding my original post. I am like the rest in the regards I only want an informed discussion regarding different products available for our trucks. I still would ask anyone that is running a BD valve body if he/she has any likes or dislikes with the product. I would hope they feel comfortable in posting replies as it helps everyone involved. Then if you decide DTT or BD or Banks or Dunrite etc. is the right choice for you, there has been information posted to make the wisest decision you can, for your hard earned dollars.



I am open to the best product for my use and product that will allow my truck to live the longest life it can.



__________________________



'96 2wd, auto

 

[Steve Roseman]

Well said Ron! I think it might help if everyone added a disclaimer to their signature But then people might get so mad they would skip the signature in their hurry to reply.

It's amazing how the use of words can effect people. Simple little additions like "In my opinion" "I feel" "I don't feel" "In my experience" "For me" "THANKYOU" can really make a big difference.

I've followed some of these heated threads too and have noticed the snowball effect. One person makes a statement that intentionally or unintentionally irks someone else,then the fan gets doo-doo all over it

 

[SlyBones]

Well I would admit there was a bit of BD transmission bashing lately. However this goes both directions. A new MFG come in makes a claim or two. People dont understand what they mean. So they ask questions, etc. Then all of a sudden were a pack of wolves, and bashing them. When no one had any intention of bashing anyone. People simply want questions answered, with straight forward results that make sense.

 

[JConley]

First off, I am a DTT supporter. With that being said, I would ask that you go to BD, and all the other companies that make transmission products. Disect there products to see all the internal working, meet the heads of each company to talk about there products, and make your decision based on what fits your needs. For you, this might not be DTT, or any other well known product. If the guy down the street can build a better converter, then go for it.



For me, I met Bill on two occasions at TDR events, and I listened. Based on what I heard, I made my decision to buy products from DTT. Prior to meeting Bill, I had no previous experience or knowledge with anyones products. I really appreciate the straight no BS answers that Bill gave me based on his experience. A friend of mine who I talked to today and is NOT a TDR member also went to a seminar where Bill attended. This guy who doesnt follow this website, and has no knowledge of the information on here, will also be buying a TC and VB from DTT in the near future. Why??? I think it all boils down to trust. We believe what Bill says is true, and I for one have found no reason to think otherwise. It is a common practice to recommend companies and people that you trust. True some are more vocal than others which brings me on to the next subject.



So why do some jump on other products like wolves?? I think a lot of these people have purchased other products, and gotten a bunch of marketing hype and a lighter wallet in return. Being TDR members we are skeptical of new products that claim to be better than brand X (insert product) I believe what I see, and in results. If someone gets on this board and goes into a marketing speel about a product, then it is going to be picked to pieces. Sorry, but that is the reality of this site. I would also like to think that the TDR members on this site have nothing but your best interests in mind when recommending a product that works as advertised. If that recommendation came at great expence based on past mistakes, then I would be more vocal too.



Do your research, find what is best for you, and then if you are 100% happy, let us know your recommendations.

 

[EagleEye]

I WILL defend BD...

I just upgraded my TC and VB with BD. I have the latest and greatest X-Stator and am very happy with it thus far. I have done posts in the past re: TC and VB's, and did not here from hardly ANY others except DTT.



The TC holds and I tow a Lance and a 20' Malibu Barefoot boat.



I am still waiting to post (and stir up the fire) because I am still noting my likes and dislikes.



I did not have great luck with the VB upgrade because I am trying HARD to keep the stock shift points WITHOUT changing the line pressures and parameters. The replacement VB shifts GREAT, but like I say, trying to retain STOCK shifting parameters.



BD has bent over backwards for me!!! I have nothing but praise for the company, and would recomment them in a heartbeat!



I will be testing another VB shortly, and once ALL is said and done, I will post (objectively) about my experiences and likes/dislikes.



I am not sponsored by BD and paid for all MY STUFF. I chose BD and so far am happy I did. BD products WORK!

 

[Cummins Corvette]

It would be nice to see an unbiased test of all the different companies’ stuff. Just some hard facts. As for everyone defending Bill, it is just like defending any friend. It is just that simple. I encourage others to go and try different stuff though. I just don’t want to be the guinea pig. I hate to see anyone get gypped just because I know how it feels and I want to help others avoid that. It is kind of like watching a movie where you know that something bad is going to happen- you almost want to tell the actor that they’re about to get waxed and they can’t see it. That is a crappy analogy but I am real tired and can’t think of anything else right now. Good night all.

 

[libertyram]

Maybe this is a little off the present thread but, it seems to me that the main problem we have with the auto is that we have a medium service engine and a light duty transmission. I for one do not think that the Allison is the answer. It is only rated for 545 torque and how do you uprate the things. Has any body looked at putting something like the Fuller 6spd. auto shift (F0-8406S-ASW) in these things? Sure it would be exspensive but, I bet somebody would be willing to pay.

 

[GLASMITHS]

BD STUFF

EVERBODY READY TO PUKE



I have a BD t/c and I love it. The 4" cat back sounds just great.

The add-on transmission cooler doesn't have to work. The Exhaust brake looks good (bad to dc), the autoloc sucks. The installer and BD won't give me much help. It wasn't cheap, and it has never worked more than 3 times in a row. Bill K. asked me tyo call him about it, but since it wasn't his , I declined.



It was installed in Feb, 99. I never pulled with the stock converter, so that leaves a gap in my experience. However the t/c works fine and it is going to get replaced in late spring. It will have over 100,000 miles then So the whole transmission and all will get replaced; with what?? Keep posting - - - I need more info -------

 

[Cummins Corvette]

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTTTTTT!!!!!!!! Just kidding! It looks like not everyone that has BD stuff is unhappy. The two positive posts on this thread are the only good things that I have ever heard about BD. If BD has stepped up their service then lets here about it. This is what this forum is for. The score is still two to lots though. Keep the votes coming... ... .....

 

[EagleEye]

A point of thought...

During my escapades in another thread, an interesting point was brought up. Cannot find it right now, but will give credit when I do.



It had to do with the vocal DTT people and the nonexistent replies from all others.



Keep this in mind... not EVERYONE is willing to put the time and trouble into these posts. I just happened across this one, and am willing to take the time to post. HOW MANY TC's does BD sell??? It must be quite a few, after all, they are still running the ads. Gotta pay for it somehow. What about SunCoast, DunRite, ATS, etc. , they must have quite a few out there also.



Not trying to explain the ways of the world, BUT I got no responses EXCEPT from the vocal few that have DTT.



Others are out there, just don't seem to hear from them. If the companies and/or products were downright BAD, I'm sure that would get some to take the time and share their horror stories.



I will post my findings with BD when I get my trans just the way I like it. Until then, BD service and tech have been absolutely STELLAR for me!!! (and I still have NOT slipped the TC in lockup)



One more thing... the new X-Stator must be VERY efficient. I am only seeing about a 50RPM drop from unlock to lockup! Nice.

 

[Cummins Corvette]

50 rpm when? How much boost do you have when this happens? I am wondering about the following: Going from x rpm to x-50 rpm at how much boost? What is x? Just curious- not bashing or anything.

 

[pwr2tow]

EagleEye,

I am going to have my truck dyno'ed tonight by a guy that installs BD parts and then see what transmission upgrades I need to hold the HP and Torque.



I was wondering about your TC, is it the new 7X stator and converter and what is your opinion of it at this point. I think I might have it installed even if my HP rateings do not warrant it. My estimated HP is approximately 270, I will find out tonight. Cost will probably be the decideing factor.



I see BD has one for up to 300HP and one for 300-500HP, which one do you have.



what type of driveing do you do, Hot Rodding or towing or both.



I also agree with you on the point that more people will grip about something but rarely will you hear from people with a compliment.



Ron

 

[EagleEye]

TC and VB

Yes ronsram1999, I have the 7x stator. I have the one rated for 24v applications, and I believe they are rated at 200-300 HP.



My driving consists of daily driver up and down the Grapevine (I-5), Hot Rodding on occasion, and towing with a Lance 810 and 20' ski boat or Toyota 4x4 or motorcycles. So far, So Good.



CAnderson: The 50 rpm drop is from TC unlock to lockup. Depending on the speed, my boost may be anywhere from less than 5 psi to over 32 psi. The X is BD's name for their new stator (inside the TC). The TC is known (named) the 7X.



Like I said before, still working out the kinks (I am EXTREMELY particular) and once again, BD is doing everything in the book to get me to the point I want. Still testing and feeling out the good and the not so good, but so far, I am very happy with my decision.



I will DEFINITELY post with my experiences, likes and dislikes when it is fair to do so. I am NOT jumping the gun here.



Overall... I am HAPPY with my choice of companies, and their product/service. A+++

 

[Cummins Corvette]

So you're saying that at 32 lbs of boost, you have a 50 rpm drop? Like 2700 to 2650 rpm at full throttle? That would be very cool, but I am very skeptical. Try getting on the freeway at about 12 pounds of boost and letting it lock up when the rpms are about 1800 in od. Under these conditions, mine drops to about 1500rpm. Things that make you go Hmmmm... .....

 

[StakeMan]

I too will be looking for transmission upgrades in the future. In my opinion the best thing you can do is talk to the manufactures of the products that interest you and compare thier products and what they say. Different manufactures will have different ways of accomplishing the same task. Sometimes you have to look through the BS to find the right product for YOU!