W heres T he F reedom

[Mark_Kendrick]

What's offensive about 'breast'. . guess what, every woman I know has 2. there are many more less apropriate tems to call them. This one is not in the least bit offensive to anyone I know.



Now I guess I can't talk about my favorite part of a chicken either... or women





There is nothing offensive about that joke or the breathalizer joke either. both were clean enough to tell in mixed company and should be approriate here.



'WTF' is probably what he wanted to say.



so now I'll send the 'wtf' thread back to the top of the hot topics so that you can get slapped again.

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Originally posted by TORQUE THIS

WTF > W here's T he F reedom

I guess we should have a dictionary for the acronyms so the moderators won't get offended:-laf

 

[JohnMcIntyre]

Late breaking news from Europe....

Just so everyone can keep a grip on reality guys... . only kiddin' but seriously, I've had a couple of posts pulled by Dennis which were considered to have a more than an acceptable if not overt content/adult theme (pick anyone... )



I was ticked off at the time but can appreciate what Dennis is trying to do - it would have been nice to receive a short PM or polite email requesting an edit before it got pulled, although I had loads of PMs afterwards begging for the punchline.



IOW, wherever the line is drawn, there'll always be people on both sides of the line .



Change of subject - quick reality check!! Just to show that I haven't lost the plot. There's just been an announcement on the evening news that the Ragheads over in Iran have put out a Fatwa on Barbie, no news about Ken though...

 

[Cummins4Life]

Originally posted by TORQUE THIS

WTF > W here's T he F reedom

#ad
Keep fighting the good fight!

 

[Todd T]

problem solved



I've updated my moderators Acme Book of Acronyms as well



Todd

 

[Batman]

Moderators... ... ... ..... before I go off and rant, read this... ... ... ... ..... for the most part, the work you do here is unseen and unapreciated. You have your own personal views, as do the owners of this site. I like the fact that this site is not free, (part of the membership), to me, this keeps most of the dregs out of here. Leaving most f the information that is shared to be accurate and very helpful. But... ... ... ... .....



As mentioned above, freedom of speech, spoken, written, or otherwise, is part of the Constitution. People with aformentioned "thin skin" or lack of a back bone are ruining this great country with Political Correctness. This is how it all starts. I'm a scholar by no means, but don't mess with my freedom. PC is the start of Communism. We are starting to be controlled. This I will not stand for. Whether it be on the street or on the computer. If you don't like what's typed, don't read it. Don't try to force your PC on others.



With all that is going on in the world today, we need a release. Now I agree that many jokes and the following commentary can get way out of hand, I feel this is part of the "community" that the members, for the most part, want. If I read a thread or a post I don't like or agree with, I move on. Maybe those that are easily offended should pay more attention to those threads they read.



Off the soap box:-{}

 

[Rob Thomas]

If I read a thread or a post I don't like or agree with, I move on. Maybe those that are easily offended should pay more attention to those threads they read.

Right-on man, nobody is forced to read anything! If ya can't handle it, don't read it!



Later, Rob

 

[TORQUE THIS]

Todd T Nice Job

 

[JConley]

I told my wife the breathalizer joke, and she laughed. (she's a Brunette )



Could someone PM me the Blonde breathalizer joke? I know of a few others that would like this. I guess my friends are less pc and therby more fun to be around.

 

[Straight6Jeff]

I need a beer... ...

 

[jlccc]

Originally posted by Batman

As mentioned above, freedom of speech, spoken, written, or otherwise, is part of the Constitution. People with aformentioned "thin skin" or lack of a back bone are ruining this great country with Political Correctness. This is how it all starts. I'm a scholar by no means, but don't mess with my freedom. PC is the start of Communism. We are starting to be controlled. This I will not stand for. Whether it be on the street or on the computer. If you don't like what's typed, don't read it. Don't try to force your PC on others.

Gentlemen:

This is not a "public place. " It is an extension of a business enterprise, if you will, and your free speech is not protected here. The owner of this site (or his authorized representatives aka moderators) have every right to regulate this site as they see fit. It's no different than you walking into any other business and saying something that the OWNER of the place finds offensive. If you do this he'll probably ask you to leave and not come back. He has every right to do that on his property. How is that any different from the moderators controlling what appears on this website?



What's really ruining this great country is the attitide that "I can do as I please and if you don't like it, tough. " Many of you like to quote the author Robert Heinlein (so do I) when you say "an armed society is a polite society. " What's wrong with being polite? Being polite isn't the same as PC. I hate PC as much as anyone, but in our rebellion against PC, let's not let the pendulum swing all the way over to rudeness, coarseness crassness and just plain poor taste.

 

[Batman]

jpark... ... ... I see your point. ok, I agree... ... ... ... to a point.



Don't take this as a flame, it's not intended to be.



Sometimes things seem a little un-balanced. Too much on one side or another. Or good for some, not others. I have seen posts and thread titles that have been more explicit than some of these that get deleted. THAT, is hwere I have issues. What's good for one is good for all.



Personally, My attitude is NOT as you mentioned above. As far as being polite, I am.

 

[KPhillips]

Originally posted by jpark





Gentlemen:

This is not a "public place. " It is an extension of a business enterprise, if you will, and your free speech is not protected here.



What's really ruining this great country is the attitide that "I can do as I please and if you don't like it, tough. "



What's wrong with being polite? Being polite isn't the same as PC. I hate PC as much as anyone, but in our rebellion against PC, let's not let the pendulum swing all the way over to rudeness, coarseness crassness and just plain poor taste.

jparks,



I realize this is a privately owned profit based business, but as some of the individuals that pay to use this site and keep this site in business we have a right to voice our opinions on how we think the service should be run,,,,,,and I'm not saying we should necessarily get it our way, but we should voice our opinions when we don't like something, just like the moderators and some others voiced their opinions when they did not like the post and deleted it.



There is absolutely nothing wrong with being polite, I totally agree with you that we should all be polite and repectful of each other. I think that is a requirement..... I believe in the whole "do unto others as you wish them to do unto you" thing. I lead my life as a polite repectful man that tries to be helpful when needed and will give you the shirt off my back if you need it... .



Point is that I don't think anyone was being necessarily inpolite. There seems to be an invisible line here thats hard to follow, at least for me... ...



"Breast" for instance is not in my opinion considered a word that is unrespectful or inpolite (and I realize these terms are interpreted differently by each prson) and if a moderator chooses to delete or ban a thread based on this word or a word that is similar in content then there is going to be people that stand up and say something, because they feel that the moderators are forcing their values or beliefs on them.....



This is a BBS that SHOULD allow people to flex themselves, and say things (certainly within reason) that may be considered a little controversial or edgy. If ones beliefs are forced on everyone else, then there is an issue.



Now the hard part is to know where to draw the line, and I know its hard as moderator to be able to do that and I respect the moderators and owners for this.



But instead of going to one extreme (in this case the totally conservative extreme), isn't there a possibility of having some middle ground?



Maybe there is a way to form some sort of committee or group of long time members (a cross section) so when a questionable subject is brought up, those individuals can discuss it amongst themselves and take a vote or something to decide instead of just whacking the thread and causing a big stink... ... there is always room for improvement. I just figure it will be more productive to direct the topic in a direction of solutions rather than continue the yelling back and forth.



There should always be room for discussion and improvement rather than just saying this is the way it is and if you don't like it tough poop ( and I hope that isn't one of those words.....



kerryp

bastrop, tx

 

[jlccc]

Originally posted by KPhillips



I realize this is a privately owned profit based business, but as some of the individuals that pay to use this site and keep this site in business we have a right to voice our opinions on how we think the service should be run

kerryp

bastrop, tx

Why does a subscription to this site give you the "right" to say how it's run? When you buy something at Wal-Mart, does that give you the RIGHT to tell Sam Walton (I know he's dead, but this is an example) how to run his business? He's not obligated to even give you the time of day. Your choice are A) accept things as they are or B) vote with your wallet and leave his place of business.



Don't go marching into Wal-Mart like the anti-gunners do and demand that he quit selling guns. Similarly, don't come in a tell the moderators what they have to allow on their site. Your subscription entitles you to absolutely ZERO say in how things on this board are run.



If the moderators are capricious and arbitrary, so what? Again, they OWN the site and can do what they want with it. You don't get free speech on someone else's property.



On the other hand, if the moderators are wise they may occasionally listen to the membership. But remember, there is nothing that OBLIGATES them do to do so. If they are right wing conservatives and want to run their business that way, who are you to even suggest that they abandon what they consider to be moral/polite/acceptable behavior?

 

[KPhillips]

Fine, if thats truely the attitude around here :



I do hereby officially exercise my right to option"B" and do respectfully ask for a refund or at least a partial refund (since I have received two TDR magazines), I want to be fair and pay for what I have received.



Sorry guys but I refuse to be a member of a board that does not wish to at least discuss the possibility of change..... I'll either read from the outside or obtain my info elsewhere from here on out... . I am really sad that it has to be this way..... so the dominoes fall.



Admin, please let me know what my options are for requesting a refund due to not being satisfied with the "product" that I purchased.



kerryp

 

[jlccc]

I speak for myself only

I don't speak for the moderators. I just calls them as I sees them. I mean you no ill will personally, but I am trying to show you that you don't have the right to anything on this board.



If someone happens to be/act conservative and you want him to "loosen up a little" and accept something more to your liking (less conservative), isn't that the same as asking someone like yourself to put aside your values and be "more conservative?" It cuts both ways.

 

[KPhillips]

Re: I speak for myself only

Originally posted by jpark

but I am trying to show you that you don't have the right to anything on this board.



If someone happens to be/act conservative and you want him to "loosen up a little" and accept something more to your liking (less conservative), isn't that the same as asking someone like yourself to put aside your values and be "more conservative?" It cuts both ways.

See thats where we disagree, at walmart if I buy a product and am not satisfied with it, i take it back,,,,,same here, the product I bought was access to the board and the right to post here... ...



Granted, I don't own the place and can't make policy, but if I buy a product I should be satisfied with it..... and if I'm not, as a consumer, I have the right to contact the company that makes that product and give them input on how "I" think they might make their product better,,,,(yes better for me, but when I do this I'm in the frame of mind that I'm hopefully improving it for alot of People).



Now that may not be the case, it may just be me having a big head and thinking my way is an improvement... . It may be and it may not be, but I think a company should always listen to ideas from their consumers on how to make their product better..... like I said above, it doesn't necessarily mean they have to implement the change.



I like to think of myself as open minded and open to change or at least compromise. And I think I live my life that way... . if I was doing something a certain way and someone told me that there was a better way to do it, I might at first thought blow them off, but I would try to at least listen to their thought, then I would either explain to them why I do it my way or try their way to see if if works... .



I'm not asking the owners of this site to become heathens and wallow in the dirt..... just to consider listening in case there is a compromise that they would be willing to consider... . thats all I'm saying. And I didn't take your comments as a personal attack, I'm not that thin skinned, I just want there to be an understanding that if I'm not satisfied with the product I buy, I'm not afraid to request a refund and try a different manufacturer.....



kerryp

bastrop, tx

 

[Doc Tinker]

For some of you who didn't see the thread in question. . The first joke was a little off color, the second and third ones were bad. Torque's joke was not a problem, but the whole thread threatened to go way into the gutter. A couple of weeks ago, there was a similar discussion following Dennis' notice that dirty jokes won't be tolerated. You know the rules.



How about you guys who posted on that thread giving me your mother's email address. I'll send them copies of what was written.



Doc

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

My mom's in the Navy part time, and a doctor that works in a prison full time. She makes me blush now and again.



She'd get a kick out of them and send you a few back.

 

[Doc Tinker]

Have you guys ever stopped to think that maybe the "Other" forum is an embarrasment to the TDR? I wonder if that might be why it is now closed it to the public?



I'll admit that some of my posts may have contributed to the closing of the forum, but I try to stay a little to the right and not get carried away.



I thought all the jokes in that thread were funny by the way. And no. . I'm not going to share them



You guys can blast me all you want. I have the skin of a porcupine.



Doc