Water/Methanol Installed

[SConklin]

Also, anyone have any info on how well the variable controller works compared to the hobbs switch? I know there's some experience out there with the hobbs switch now...

 

[mbsnow]

Skyler,

The difference in the controllers can be felt on the street. I had a hobbs switch on my '04 Cummins and It worked great in the high boost ranges. Now with the HD Variable Controller, The truck feels stronger in the mid range.

Matt

 

[blake underwood]

Any one running water/methanol injection on a 3gen? If so, any DYNO results, or for that matter what are your results? (boost, EGT)

 

[Sticks]

Originally posted by blake underwood

Any one running water/methanol injection on a 3gen? If so, any DYNO results, or for that matter what are your results? (boost, EGT)

That would be Matt Snow, but he has not installed any gauges yet.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how this system compares to the Diesel Performance Specialists water/meth injection system?



Give us a link to this system.





I've tried and tested The Snow Performance system system to the hilt, countless runs on the road at different power levels from 560-775 and I'll put it against anyones. Now having said that I run a hobbs switch to turn it on as I'm after the WOT stuff but the heavy duty controller sounds really nice.



Jim

 

[Cooker]

Here is a link to the other system:

http://www.dps-performance.com/h2o_system.html

 

[Sticks]

Well, they are a bit spendy, and not a whole lot of info about their system.



I heard that they were supposed to have an EGT switch that would turn the system on in a designated EGT range, that I would be interested in

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Lets see, looking at the highlights I like the EGT controller..... nothing we haven't talked about? Install seemed easy, but spendy system that has no data or anyone running it, Matt has over 800 systems on the street!



Towing applications don't need or like dual nozzles unless there tiny ones and a third nozzle is too much at one... . tried that, might try some new stuff/ideas on the track depending on EGT's after the new intercooler... ... ... hum!



Jim

 

[jrandol]

Originally posted by Cooker

Here is a link to the other system:

http://www.dps-performance.com/h2o_system.html

Dang!! Considering their price is about 60% greater than Matt Snows setup which we know works really well I am glad I made my buy!! Matt Snow knows' these things inside and out and guys like Jim have really done some incredible testing on the CTD.

 

[Cooker]

Originally posted by jrandol

Dang!! Considering their price is about 60% greater than Matt Snows setup which we know works really well I am glad I made my buy!! Matt Snow knows' these things inside and out and guys like Jim have really done some incredible testing on the CTD.

I agree

 

[WVSumeren]

I resently installed my stage 2 also. So far pretty good. Hint go with a 50/50 mix and cut back the flow. Initial start in @ 10 to 12 psi. Don't like the grey smoke on deceleration, seems to flood the intake. I'm going to install a pac brake next and am thinking about tieing it in to cut out the pump quicker.

 

[Sticks]

WVSumeren - Welcome to the TDR!



Did you get the stage II variable controller or the Hobbs switch? Low PSI starts work OK if you do WOT runs, but I have had problems with holding 15 - 20 psi and the system on - starts quenching my combustion.

 

[KevinK]

Is there a way to make a guesstimate as to how much HP increase you will see? I've seen anywhere from 30 to 125HP increases. Also, how do you decide which and how many nozzles to use? I talked to Matt at ATS last week and certainly see a lot of upsides. Are there any downsides?



Thanks,

Kevin

 

[WVSumeren]

I have the variable controller and limited the max flow by raising the full on adjustment(45-50 PSI) past my turbo's capabilities(30 PSI). i plan on ordering smaller nossles to try out.

 

[Sticks]

Originally posted by KevinK

Is there a way to make a guesstimate as to how much HP increase you will see? I've seen anywhere from 30 to 125HP increases. Also, how do you decide which and how many nozzles to use? I talked to Matt at ATS last week and certainly see a lot of upsides. Are there any downsides?



Thanks,

Kevin

The only downsides that I know of are improper tuning. This would include too much injection, too rich of a methanol mix (over 55%), and improper installation.

 

[SConklin]

Install Questions

A couple friends and I have been trying to install the Stage II system with the Variable Controller, and Auxilliary Tank, and wound up with a couple questions:



What do you do with the other end of the rubber line from the VC to give it a good feed of boost pressure? There doesn't seem to be any fitting or anything else to attach it to, or to use to get a supply of boost pressure to the VC. Any ideas?

Also, the optional tank is great, however, there was nowhere near enough line to run to this larger tank if it were mounted (as intended) in the bed... maybe if it were mounted to the hood?!(hmmm... an 8 gallon or so tank mounted to the top of the hood... maybe I should've just received enough line from the start to actually mount it where it's supposed to be, in the bed. )

Anyone else curious about the lack of detail in the instructions too? Maybe more pictures, and a little more detail specific would be in order. There are a lot of options for these systems, and there are a lot of TDR members who purchased these systems. Something a little more detailed and specific would definately be helpful. Numbered step by step instructions usually work pretty well...

Also, I noticed that a lot of people are having a hard time finding a good place to mount the pump. If you remove the driver's side battery and tray, then the pump will mount and fit perfectly to the bottom side of the battery tray. The pump will be mounted sideways, with its base being vertically attached directly to the bottom side of the battery tray. The little rubber feet fit right inbetween the grooves. It's like it was made to fit there. It's stable, easily accessible, out of any harm's way, and right underneath the battery, which minimizes wires being run.



I'm really still curious about the boost line to the variable controller though - still haven't figured that one out. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.



Skyler

 

[Sticks]

Re: Install Questions

Skyler, I posted some pictures both in this thread, and in my readers rigs gallery. Here is some other info;

Originally posted by SConklin

A couple friends and I have been trying to install the Stage II system with the Variable Controller, and Auxilliary Tank, and wound up with a couple questions:



What do you do with the other end of the rubber line from the VC to give it a good feed of boost pressure? There doesn't seem to be any fitting or anything else to attach it to, or to use to get a supply of boost pressure to the VC. Any ideas?

Presuming you have gauges, you will need to put a "T" in your boost gauge line and run that to your VC. The 1/8" boost gauge hose slides inside the rubber hose fairly snugly, and a little tape around the end to hold it in place.

Also, the optional tank is great, however, there was nowhere near enough line to run to this larger tank if it were mounted (as intended) in the bed... maybe if it were mounted to the hood?!(hmmm... an 8 gallon or so tank mounted to the top of the hood... maybe I should've just received enough line from the start to actually mount it where it's supposed to be, in the bed. )

You can get the 1/4 plastic hose from a lumber yard for real cheap. Use the red for the high pressure end, and the new stuff for the feed.

Anyone else curious about the lack of detail in the instructions too? Maybe more pictures, and a little more detail specific would be in order. There are a lot of options for these systems, and there are a lot of TDR members who purchased these systems. Something a little more detailed and specific would definately be helpful. Numbered step by step instructions usually work pretty well...

You have to remember that this kit is a universal design to put on any vehicle. Matt has not had the chance to mount this to a Dodge, Ford, Chevy, GMC, and so on ... to tell the owner how and where to mount it. He had to keep it general. Injector nozzles in the intake between the intercooler and the head, and where ever you can for the rest.

Also, I noticed that a lot of people are having a hard time finding a good place to mount the pump. If you remove the driver's side battery and tray, then the pump will mount and fit perfectly to the bottom side of the battery tray. The pump will be mounted sideways, with its base being vertically attached directly to the bottom side of the battery tray. The little rubber feet fit right inbetween the grooves. It's like it was made to fit there. It's stable, easily accessible, out of any harm's way, and right underneath the battery, which minimizes wires being run.

Good idea for the pump. There are about 6 of us that mounted it underneath the fender and in front of the fender well. It's funny how we have so much room under our hoods, and nowhere to mount anything.

I'm really still curious about the boost line to the variable controller though - still haven't figured that one out. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.



Skyler [/B]

I'm sure Matt will get some better instructions as time progresses and he gets responses like yours. Prior to November of 02, his main market was Mustangs and ricers. Now his kits are going on everything, so it's a little hard to detail it all out.



I know after the first round of TDR installs, he did make some changes per recommendations from us on a few things.



If you have any more questions or comments, don't hesitate to post them!

 

[SConklin]

Boost w/ HX-40?

Got the water/meth injection installed (still need a new vp44 to really take advantage of it though).



I have a PDR HX-40 that is wastegated to 40psi, however with the water/meth turned on, I am seeing 45psi on my gauge. Is extra boost created purely by the meth, or is it a byproduct, and still being created by the turbo?



What I am getting at, is that I know how the HX-40s don't hold up too well long-term above 40psi, and I just want to make sure that it is not being over-spooled.



Ideas?

 

[Sticks]

The increased boost that you are seeing is created by the charge air cooling effects of the water meth injection. I don't know that the actual boost pressure on the turbo side is any higher. Matt Snow or Jim Fulmer can give you a better answer.



So how about the SOP Dyno readings. More power? How about your EGT's

 

[Jim Fulmer]

The only way to know if the boost is just on the manifold side is too measure it on the turbo side, I really don't know on your setup, I'd say turn the boost down a little, 40 is about optimal anyway plus your cooling the air making the boost you have more effective and adding more fuel too..... BOTW I gain the same amount of boost.



Jim