Water/Methanol Installed

[roadhawg]

I dont mind if it's ok to post that.

$128 delivered

 

[csevers]

That is a lot cheaper than I thought it would be. Good Deal!!



Thanks

Craig

 

[mbsnow]

55 gal methanol for $128

That sure beats the heck out of hiperfuels.com 5-gals for $60! If you wanted to sell some, I'll bet there would be some buyers.

Matt

 

[mbsnow]

55 gal methanol for $128

That sure beats the heck out of hiperfuels.com 5-gals for $60! If you wanted to sell some, I'll bet there would be some buyers.

Matt

 

[Sticks]

Installation tip #??



When you screw the injector nozzles into the bushing, go hand tight then ONLY 1/4 to 1/2 turn. Closer to a 1/4. I had tightened mine up too much and it blocked off the water flow from the elbow to the injector. If you think you may have really cranked them in there, pull the bushings that screw into your intake and check them out. (jrandol, you need to do this, I tightened yours up quite a bit when we did the install). Since I mounted mine underneath the intake, this took me all of 20 minutes to pull the intake, and the bushings, re-seat the injectors and re-assemble.



ALSO - if for whatever reason you needed to put any brass bushings (unions, elbows, or any other 1/4 compression fittings) you need to install a brass furral (ferrel, farrel - sp?) into the end of the hose before you tighten them up. I had to put on a brass compression union when I moved my check valve and I kept having leaks at the union. The plastic tubing would collapse and the bushing would get a little crooked (5 times) and not seat right. (mlockner - could this be your leak issue?)







At first I thought, "Not what I expected" then I did some trouble shooting and thought maybe my injectors were bad, or the pump was weak. Now all I can say is FREAKIN' WOW!! SOP dyno definitely thinks 40 to 50 HP and this is on a stage 1 kit. This is with a full 50/50 water/HEET mix, and the Edge EZ on level 3, boost elbow, stock HX35W, and 3" exhaust with resonator and a missing muffler. EGT's were a little higher than without (100*), but that may be a little inaccurate since I have not done that hard a run with out the injection yet, and I may have the mix a little heavy on the meth. Boost was as expected, I peaked at 35psi, 4 over my previous high.



When is the next Denver Dyno Day? Oo. Oo. Oo.



Next week the PVC reservoir project. I picked up a water level sensor from the junkyard (and a PDC for my rewiring project $15 total) so I am not worried about it being hidden. My plans for one (not room for them on both sides, and only a 3" on the passenger side) next to the intercooler would only hold . 428 gallons . A 4" X 36" tube will hold 1. 985 gallons, plus the . 30 gallon in the fill tube. I am going to try to find some 5" or 6" PVC to do this. That would make the total capacity from 3. 3 to 4. 7 gallons at the same length.

 

[powerwagon440]

Dang i have to get mine on the truck!!!

 

[mgoncalves]

Might consider a dab of loctite on those nozzles, if they need to be that loose. It wouldn't take many miles to vibrate those guys loose and send them to the intake heater, hopefully that would catch them.



Sticks, your results are encouraging, I can't wait to try it out.





Matt

 

[mbsnow]

Nozzle torque

Just a note on nozzle tightness. The problem with constriction occurs sometimes if both the nozzle and adapter are turned all the way down. If the 90° adapter is torqued 1/2 -3/4 turn past hand tight - which is more than enough to seal - the nozzle can be torqued 1/2 to 1 turn past hand tight which is good for seal and assurance that it won't come loose. Lock tight is a good idea over teflon sealant.

Thanks,

Matt

 

[Bpostel]

Does anyone know how to adjust the stage 2 pump? I know that theres an allen headed bolt in the end of the pump, but which way do you turn it? I wanting to turn the pump up, so would you screw it in or out. Thanks.

Brent

 

[DSteinel]

anybody have any more pics of where they mounted the resivoir, I can't seem to find a good place to mount it and leave both batteries in there

 

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Bpostel

Does anyone know how to adjust the stage 2 pump? I know that theres an allen headed bolt in the end of the pump, but which way do you turn it? I wanting to turn the pump up, so would you screw it in or out. Thanks.

Brent

Brent,



Clockwise to turn it up, and all the way in is all the way on. BE CAREFUL, as they are plastic threads. If you are looking to see if it is all the way up, back it off a 1/2 turn first. As far as turning it down you can unscrew it until the set screw starts poking out the back.

Originally posted by DSteinel

anybody have any more pics of where they mounted the resivoir, I can't seem to find a good place to mount it and leave both batteries in there

Check out the pictures on page 2 or 3, and in my gallery. To a point, no there is no good place to mount that darn bottle. Mine is a temporary location on the passenger battery bracket, and will be replaced by a home made tank that I am going to mount either along the frame rail, or inside/behind the bumper. I hope to get at least a 2 1/2 to 4 gallon capacity.

 

[mlockner]

Hey sticks, my leaks are fine and the system works well I think I may have access to some 6 inch CPVC pipe at work. How much would we need?? Let me know, maybe i will see you on Saturday. We need another DYNO DAY SOON!!!!!

Mike L.

 

[mdivincentis]

Originally posted by sticks

Installation tip #??



When you screw the injector nozzles into the bushing, go hand tight then ONLY 1/4 to 1/2 turn. Closer to a 1/4. I had tightened mine up too much and it blocked off the water flow from the elbow to the injector. If you think you may have really cranked them in there, pull the bushings that screw into your intake and check them out. (jrandol, you need to do this, I tightened yours up quite a bit when we did the install). Since I mounted mine underneath the intake, this took me all of 20 minutes to pull the intake, and the bushings, re-seat the injectors and re-assemble.

I tightened mine down too much as well. So, to fix, I tried to optimize the flow in the nozzle holder.

The possibility of nozzles falling into my motor stressed me out, so I tightened the nozzles only hand tight into the holders and put a VERY small tack weld with the TIG to lock them in place.

Then, I modified the elbows that thread into the nozzle holder. I took an 82 degree countersink and used it to shorten the NPT portion of the elbow. I shortened them until it was almost tough to start the threads into the nozzle holder. This way, they tighten up much sooner (more space between the elbow threads and the nozzle screen) and the countersink allows for a little smoother flow.

Well, it worked. I can feel a difference for sure. I cant wait to get into Denver again where I have more air!

Also, I tried a 58-60% methanol mix. Runs strong for sure. EGTs aren't as cool as washer fluid or 20/80, but they aren't out of control. More smoke under full boost with this 58-60% methanol.



Matt

 

[Sticks]

Cool, I'm glad you were able to get a little more out of it.



I met Matt Snow last weekend. Number one cool guy. We talked for a bit about mixtures and he was a little concerned about going over a 50% mix. We might get detonation, or way too much timing adjustment out of it.



I also have not seen good EGT drops with the 50% mix, but I think that has more to do with the fact that we may be too cold (ambient temperatures) to really see the effects on the road, and we are burning meth. jrandols results were with generic washer fluid and on the dyno. Lots of warm air.



I am hoping for a dyno day soon so I can see how much I have gained.



You really did a lot to your injectors. Mig weld huh? I am confident with the 1/3 turn and the Silicone RTV to seal the threads. Same with the elbows. I also went to using two 375ml injectors, instead of one 375 and one 625. My HP levels just are not up there for that much ... yet. It's gonna be a FUN spring when the temps start climbing.

 

[csevers]

Different tank idea

To any one that want to go to a bigger tank than is provided and not have it in the way, I have found this type tank should work pretty well. I will try to attach a pic of it. It is for a Freightliner class 8 tractor and has the remote fill so one could mount tank under cab and fill from under the hood. It is about 1 gallon In size, can be mounted standing up or laying down the cap on the tank is sealed and the tank has to have a breather line attached if laying down. I will probably use this style tank for both water systems.



Craig

 

[csevers]

Another pic

Cost of the tank is around $55

Craig

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Stick's I already knew Matt was a bud we all needed, now for your EGT issue you need to shoot more fluid... ... that's it. Don't... . repeat Don't go more that 50/50 on the mix, I know of a puller guy that burned pistons with a 80% methanol mix.



Jim

 

[Sticks]

Hey Jim, nice to see ya again.



I am not going to do much more with mine until the temps get in the 70's. The most I may do is getting that custom tank made. I like the one in the above post, and would work great for the instant power runners, but for continued use for EGT control, I think a 30/70 (meth/water) mix and 3+ gallons is more in order. I still have both my 625 injectors, and do plan on fuel injectors this spring. I may also upgrade to the stage 2 controller. This stage 1 kicking in at 8 psi I think is a little soon.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

I have a little more data for you on Matt's system, I had been running my own water pump for the last year but it was going away so I put one of Matt's high pressure pumps on in it's place prior to the last dyno runs. Once again I notice that if you have a little lower HP you'll have a little higher gains with both days on the dyno, the last day I made a 50 hp jump with a 50/50 mix using (2) 625 nozzles, I did try a third nozzle(375) and gained nothing at all so the two are more than capable. So here is some real data to give you a HP idea, made 726 HP on fuel at 62 psi and 774 with water at 67 psi with 100 degrees air temp at the hat, now on the road with the same conditions, 80+ psi with 95 degrees air temp at the hat..... wonder were the power is? The real test would be if I could push it to 100 psi but I'm not setup to do that..... intercooler or head.



Jim

 

[SConklin]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how this system compares to the Diesel Performance Specialists water/meth injection system?