Water/Methanol Installed

[Sticks]

mdivincentis



Any updates about performance and usage?



Get it tuned a litte more?



How well did it work on the PSD?

 

[mdivincentis]

Got a few more uses on the kit now...



It seems that the colder it is outside, the less difference it makes in EGT. Las night I did some hard runs and outside temp was a pretty steady -2 degrees. I couldn't discern a difference in EGT at using the water/meth at that temp. Power was still there, though.

Still haven't tried regular ole washer fluid, I'm interested in the difference that makes against 50/50.



I also changed my switch setup. I have found it works best for me to not use the water/meth in 1st and 2nd gear, and when I am racing powerstrokes I need to be able to hit the switch quick. So, I mounted a different switch and the green LED on a litle bracket on my shifter-much better.



Initially I had some hard starting problems after use of the water/meth, but I think I may not have been drying things out properly after running on the methanol. If I do a hard pull with the methanol on, then drive easy for a mile and shut 'er down, it takes a few seconds to start next time. If I do a short warm up of the EGTs (1250 for a second or two) after being on methanol, she starts just like normal next time. Could be strictly coincidence too, as I haven't truely verified that the water/meth is causing the problem (although the only time my truck has had to crank for more than a second or two is after I used the meth. )



As for the PSD, the owner tells me that his kit doesn't do much, if anything. I think he is just sore 'cause when we raced I beat him , but he also has his EGT probe post turbo, which would reduce the difference you would see (I would think, anyway). My friend was riding in the PSD and asked the owner to turn off the kit, so he could see/feel the difference, and the owner refused, so who knows. I'm putting a kit on my dad's PSD soon, so I will have concrete results there.

My setup is the same still, in at 8 psi and full at 23 psi. I want to fool with the pump regulator (allen screw) now and see what happens there.



My impression over all is still , especially for the $$$$$$







Matt

 

[Sticks]

Thanks for the update.



One would think that after a mile of driving it would dry the head out enough to not affect the starting. Now we need Matt to chime in... Or Jim.



As far as the PSD goes, he should be seeing/feeling some difference, even with the probe post turbo - that is if he pays any attention to his gauges. It should at least take longer to heat up.



I have to agree with you on the ambient temps when using. You may reach a point of diminishing returns the colder it gets. I am surprised that you did not start experiencing missing or engine knock in the -1 temps. Come summer, I know there are going to be a ton of going around.



I like the idea of the switch on the shifter, we may have to figure out something to make it automatic so you don't have to throw the switch mid shift, maybe a micro switch under the housing (do the manuals even have a shift position sensor?). I saw something at Auto Zone tonight that at the time was kind of funny, but now I say Hmmmm. It was a shifter knob that had a 4 button wireless remote built into the top under a clear plastic flip cover. Occasionally the ricers come up with an idea that may actually be a good one for us too.

 

[Glen Pratt]

I'm number 11 on the list. I ordered mine as soon as you guys gave the word. Still waiting. -Glen

 

[Woodenhead]

Another here.



I bought the stage one kit with the variable controller but had Matt send me a pump from a stage two kit just in case I got too hungry . Had to stuff the pump in that little spot between the wiper fluid bottle and the battery (too much crap everywhere else). Plumbed the pump into the wiper fluid bottle.



I've got the screw on the pump pressure switch cranked out about 4 turns which is supposed to be about 100 psi. The settings on the controller are both maxed out (comes on around 10 psi). Not much good in 1st and 2nd (gears too short) it'll come on for a bit in 3rd but unless I have lotsa foot in but it'll usual quench the combustion and make er stumble (30-40F outside temp). Fourth and fifth are lots more fun now, I can keep'er to the boards up a long grade (4-5%) till I'm getting somewhere between 90-100mph (doesn't take long) before I get close to 1250F.



Getting at least 5-6psi more boost but my 35 psi gauge is maxed out at WOT, I think the wast gate on my PDR 40 is set at 38 psi anyway



I find unless I have plenty of fuel going in with the water/meth it'll start to stumble ie. if it stays around 20psi boost (constant throttle).



Therefore I find that I leave the switch off until I hit at least fourth and plan on keeping er on the boards Oo. . Maybe I'd have been better off with the stage kit with the hobbs switch or maybe I need more tuning, either way I'm lovin it.



Money well spent .

Mike



Oh yeah, I was planning on putting a pressure gauge in the cab for the pump pressure but when I was setting up the pump on the bench I found because it's on and off so fast the gauge bounces around so much you can't read it anyway.

 

[Sticks]

Keep tunin Woodenhead. Any time you get the sputters, it's too much fluid, too soon. Try raising your start psi a touch, or turn the pump down a notch.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

On drying out I would say that you need to have it real dry, don't go run it then pull right in and shut it off, this is were you might have some condensation in the manifold so either run it a while or idle it a while if say you were testing close to the house.



The stumble with a stick is odd to, the stick truck I put one on does fine as long as your rowing through the gears at WOT, if your not then why have it on, if you still have a slight issue after the pressure and pump changes then change one of the nozzles to a smaller one (example (2) 625's... . to... (1) 625 and (1) 375) Matt would know this the best. I have done very limited testing with (2) 625's and (1) 375 together... . 3 total but I'll try it again when I get more air.



Jim

 

[Woodenhead]

Keep tunin Woodenhead. Any time you get the sputters, it's too much fluid, too soon. Try raising your start psi a touch, or turn the pump down a notch.

Problem is I've got the low (on) setting at the highest point. Which is why I'm wondering if a hobbs switch might be the way for me, I only really need it when I'm running hard anyway. However it does give a nice little kick when it comes on early (10 psi) with lotsa fuel, winds the 40 up pretty quick.

The stumble with a stick is odd to, the stick truck I put one on does fine as long as your rowing through the gears at WOT, if your not then why have it on,

As mentioned by Jim, it does do fine if I'm rowing through the gears. It'll work good in 3rd but 3rd gear is pretty short when ya hold'er down. In fourth and fifth as long as I'm constantly accelerating it's OK. It only stumbles when I let the boost stay constant around 20 psi.



If I turn down the pump I'm sure it'll make the stumble better but then I'd lose in the top end. As mentioned above this deals for WOT not 1/2OT so I think I just need to drive it so it won't stumble . Problem is I'm away from my truck for the next week :{.



Gave an old Trans AM with a 6. 6 a hard licking the other day (I guess I be smoky, he be da bandit)



Have fun,

Be safe

Mike

 

[Sticks]

Hey everybody. There is a new website out now that is dedicated to Water/Meth injection. I registered (free) and have arranged to have a forum topic that is "Diesel Specific". Lots of good information over there, and a good place to post questions and get answers, at least until Matt Snow gets himself registered here.



Turbo Ice is the place. Check it out.



BTW, anyone else get theirs (from the group buy) installed yet?

 

[DSteinel]

I haven't even got mine yet , I was #28 or29 to order. I'm going nuts sittin here waiting. Dean

 

[Sticks]

Patience Dean. Weather and UPS at x-mas. The latest updates for names and ship dates are at the end of the group buy thread.

 

[DSteinel]

my name was not on the list that is why I was wandering.

 

[Sticks]

I thought it was. I'll look into it and post back.

 

[Sticks]

So I get off work early today to go to the dentist (ugh) and when I get back, low and behold there is a package on my doorstep from Snow Performance. I'm thinkin' "What the hell is this about?"



Inside the package there was a letter that read:

Sticks,



There were several members of the TDR that wish to remain anonymous, that donated sufficient funds to purchase this stage 1 kit for you.



I hope you enjoy!



Thanks again to you and Jeff for your efforts in putting this together.



Sincerely,



Matt Snow.

Well, I am at a loss for words guys. A big THANK YOU! goes out to you. Looks like I have something to do this weekend, and now I can play a little more.

 

[DSteinel]

Thanks Sticks

 

[Bpostel]

Hey guys, I just got my kit installed and I think I'm having a little problem. I have the stage 2 kit and the 50psi hobbs switch. I've hit 60psi and the LED light doesn't come on. But if I jump the hobbs switch the light will come on and the pump will kick on. Do you have any ideas on this problem. Thanks for the help.



Brent

 

[Sticks]

It's been our experience with that switch that it comes from the factory MAXED. You really have to back the hex screw in the cap out quite a bit.



Depending on how you installed it, you may want to take it off, hook an air compressor up to it somehow and a volt meter. Set the air compressor to about 25 psi at the regulator and turn the hex screw out until the volt meter show continuity. Or if it is still wired to the truck, turn it until it turns the light/pump on.



Otherwise it is trial and error until you can get it set where you want it. You may be able to back it out until it activates the pump, then screw it back in about 2 or three turns then take it for a drive. Don't panic if it kicks in too early, just back off the throttle or be ready to turn the system off and deal with the truck running a little rough and white smoke for a few seconds. Just turn the screw in some more until you get it set. 25 psi boost is about where you want it, maybe even 30.



Sticks

 

[Bpostel]

Sticks,

Hey, thanks for the quick reply. I will try that as soon as I can. It may be a day or two before I try that, but I will get it done. Also, do you know where the pump psi is set at? It's the stage two, I know that it go's to 220psi, just wondering where Matt has it set at. Which way do you turn the allen head to adjust the pump up or down. Thanks again!

Brent

 

[Sticks]

I'm pretty sure the pump comes maxed out as well. That is something else that you can adjust once you get the boost level set. If it pushes too much, you can turn the pump down.

 

[jrandol]

MERRY CHRISTMAS sticks!! You da man! Enjoy and welcome to the slippery slope!!