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What if they found Noah's Ark, would it change your faith?
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Wowzers, I really wish that I had found this thread when it was short!!! 
Just a few comments:
Sled Puller:
You got some good responses about the dinos. Also, the book of Job has more references to snow than anywhere in the Bible. While this doesn't prove the ice age, it does give the impression that this was written during that time period.
As to Jesus being THE Jew? Yes he was (see above verses from MCummings). The early believers were mostly Jews with some Gentiles (non-Jews) that became converts. Jesus even said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. - Matthew 5:17-18
The early church believed that the Jewish law is God revealing Himself to humanity. They continued to worship in the Temple in Jerusalem with the Jews. Many of the Jew hated this and generally kicked them out. In 70 AD the Romans destroyed the Temple and the Christians began to worship separately from the Jews. There were some people who did try to borrow from other religious groups. Some were Gnostics, Stoics, and several other –ics. All of them were grouped together by the Christians and called heretics.
As to the Easter debate:
Good info on the Baal religion and other various pagan rituals. It is true that our modern version of the holiday, and many others have been paganized. However, there are some discrepancies.
Worshippers were to meditate upon the sacred mysteries of Baal and Tammuz, and to make the sign of the "T" in front of their hearts as they worshipped.
The sign of the cross was not used in reference to Christ until after the time of Constantine in the 3rd century. Until then it was a symbol of death. Wearing a cross on a chain to them would be like us wearing an electric chair around our necks.
We also know that Easter can be as much as three weeks away from the Passover, because the pagan holiday is always set as the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox.
The dating error has more to do with bad math. (See below on Lent).
The truth is that the forty days of Lent, eggs, rabbits,hot cross buns and the Easter ham have everything to do with the ancient pagan religion of Mystery Babylon. These are all antichrist activities!
It is true that the bunny and the eggs are pagan rituals. However, the practice of Lent came about in the early medieval times. The Christians at that time, in their devotion to “Christ centered thought” decided it would be good to develop a calendar that had Christ as its focus. This was the start of the “Church Calendar”. Unfortunately, the monk who did the math to start this made a mistake. This is why Jesus was born in 3 BC.
Because of their great reverence for The Event (Christ’s resurrection) they felt it fitting to have a time to prepare themselves for the celebration of God’s fulfilling of His promises to Abraham, Moses, and King David in the person of Jesus.
Rhickman,
I thought Ishtar was one really crappy movie!
Yes it was!!!!!
To the original question about Noah: I voted no because there is ample evidence that the Bible is correct. However, after thinking about the question, I would have to change that to 'yes, it would change my faith. ' I would have to ask myself, "What is God up to?" Why would God go through the trouble of keeping the ark preserved for millennia and then suddenly have it be discovered?
Something to ponder.
Scott
Just a few comments:
Sled Puller:
You got some good responses about the dinos. Also, the book of Job has more references to snow than anywhere in the Bible. While this doesn't prove the ice age, it does give the impression that this was written during that time period.
As to Jesus being THE Jew? Yes he was (see above verses from MCummings). The early believers were mostly Jews with some Gentiles (non-Jews) that became converts. Jesus even said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. - Matthew 5:17-18
The early church believed that the Jewish law is God revealing Himself to humanity. They continued to worship in the Temple in Jerusalem with the Jews. Many of the Jew hated this and generally kicked them out. In 70 AD the Romans destroyed the Temple and the Christians began to worship separately from the Jews. There were some people who did try to borrow from other religious groups. Some were Gnostics, Stoics, and several other –ics. All of them were grouped together by the Christians and called heretics.
As to the Easter debate:
Good info on the Baal religion and other various pagan rituals. It is true that our modern version of the holiday, and many others have been paganized. However, there are some discrepancies.
Worshippers were to meditate upon the sacred mysteries of Baal and Tammuz, and to make the sign of the "T" in front of their hearts as they worshipped.
The sign of the cross was not used in reference to Christ until after the time of Constantine in the 3rd century. Until then it was a symbol of death. Wearing a cross on a chain to them would be like us wearing an electric chair around our necks.
We also know that Easter can be as much as three weeks away from the Passover, because the pagan holiday is always set as the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox.
The dating error has more to do with bad math. (See below on Lent).
The truth is that the forty days of Lent, eggs, rabbits,hot cross buns and the Easter ham have everything to do with the ancient pagan religion of Mystery Babylon. These are all antichrist activities!
It is true that the bunny and the eggs are pagan rituals. However, the practice of Lent came about in the early medieval times. The Christians at that time, in their devotion to “Christ centered thought” decided it would be good to develop a calendar that had Christ as its focus. This was the start of the “Church Calendar”. Unfortunately, the monk who did the math to start this made a mistake. This is why Jesus was born in 3 BC.
Because of their great reverence for The Event (Christ’s resurrection) they felt it fitting to have a time to prepare themselves for the celebration of God’s fulfilling of His promises to Abraham, Moses, and King David in the person of Jesus. Rhickman,
I thought Ishtar was one really crappy movie!
Yes it was!!!!!
To the original question about Noah: I voted no because there is ample evidence that the Bible is correct. However, after thinking about the question, I would have to change that to 'yes, it would change my faith. ' I would have to ask myself, "What is God up to?" Why would God go through the trouble of keeping the ark preserved for millennia and then suddenly have it be discovered?
Something to ponder.
Scott
Merrick is the man
Merrick, i swear man, you are an impressive person. You are wise beyond your years. its awesome to hear all of yall supporting the Lord. We truly have an amazing group of people on the TDR. Isn't it great to live in a country where we can freely talk about our faith without worry. Man, this is the most encouraging thread i think i have ever read, well, that and the Great Smoke Stories. yall have a good night.
Merrick, i swear man, you are an impressive person. You are wise beyond your years. its awesome to hear all of yall supporting the Lord. We truly have an amazing group of people on the TDR. Isn't it great to live in a country where we can freely talk about our faith without worry. Man, this is the most encouraging thread i think i have ever read, well, that and the Great Smoke Stories. yall have a good night.
Hey! how about shortening up some of the posts. I'm having trouble reading it all. 
Originally posted by Tony T.
Doc
Originally posted by Tony T.
None of this applies to Sled Puller. He's one cold fish! He's something like that dragon mentioned by MCummings
Doc
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Mike Ellis
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An interesting thread indeed. I noticed waayy back on one of the first pages that someone posted the standard concerns about Christians wanting to force stuff down people's throats in school. Funny how things work, we are constantly being told that a kid in school can sit down and hear other people praying and be traumatized... because they have different beliefs. At the same time, we are constantly being told that a kid in school can sit down and hear other people talking about homosexuality and every sort of perversion imaginable, but NOT be traumatized... in spite of their having different beliefs. Hmmmm. But I digress...
As for myself, re-discovery of the Ark wouldn't change my beliefs, but it might change my worldview a bit
Existence is a funny thing. The very fact of our consciousness is a remarkable, actually a miraculous, thing. As we currently understand the brain, it functions by electrochemical processes. Molecules combine in a certain way, charges move about in a certain pattern, and "things" (consciousness, thoughts) happen. But how does a pile of organic chemicals maintain a long-term logic state (our sense of identity, for example) in the face of entropy and constant molecular changes? We are talking an unbroken stream of consciousness (well, for some of us anyway ) on the order of 70+ years.
So how does this identity that we all have, come into being, and at death where does it go? One moment the person is "there" (alive), the next they are "gone" (dead). If the physical processes involved are purely static, it would seem reasonable that with the proper "jump start" things would pick right back up where they left off. But we are apparently unable to revive the brain after it actually dies. Is the brain simply an incredibly complicated combinatorial or sequential logic machine, like a glorified computer, or is there something much more elaborate at work, perhaps (for want of any better analogy I can think of) a vastly complicated web of standing waves that, once the brain's chemical processes are stilled by death, are no longer bound?
To the religious person, this "identity within the brain" is easily understood to be the soul, that essential component of our being which separates a living, thinking human from an animated pile of chemicals. Things are more complicated for the non-religious considering this issue, as they have no convenient way to explain the miracle of consciousness, identity, and sentience at present, and science apparently still has a long way to go to get there.
In the end, I have no idea how my brain actually works (no surprise to any of you who read my messages ). But fortunately for me, God is letting me take it for a spin anyway, and I can drive just fine even without knowing what's going on under the hood. I don't know why He threw me the keys, but I'm gonna keep driving until the engine dies and He makes me get outta the car. Just have to concentrate on obeying all the highway laws along the way... .
As for myself, re-discovery of the Ark wouldn't change my beliefs, but it might change my worldview a bit
Existence is a funny thing. The very fact of our consciousness is a remarkable, actually a miraculous, thing. As we currently understand the brain, it functions by electrochemical processes. Molecules combine in a certain way, charges move about in a certain pattern, and "things" (consciousness, thoughts) happen. But how does a pile of organic chemicals maintain a long-term logic state (our sense of identity, for example) in the face of entropy and constant molecular changes? We are talking an unbroken stream of consciousness (well, for some of us anyway
) on the order of 70+ years. So how does this identity that we all have, come into being, and at death where does it go? One moment the person is "there" (alive), the next they are "gone" (dead). If the physical processes involved are purely static, it would seem reasonable that with the proper "jump start" things would pick right back up where they left off. But we are apparently unable to revive the brain after it actually dies. Is the brain simply an incredibly complicated combinatorial or sequential logic machine, like a glorified computer, or is there something much more elaborate at work, perhaps (for want of any better analogy I can think of) a vastly complicated web of standing waves that, once the brain's chemical processes are stilled by death, are no longer bound?
To the religious person, this "identity within the brain" is easily understood to be the soul, that essential component of our being which separates a living, thinking human from an animated pile of chemicals. Things are more complicated for the non-religious considering this issue, as they have no convenient way to explain the miracle of consciousness, identity, and sentience at present, and science apparently still has a long way to go to get there.
In the end, I have no idea how my brain actually works (no surprise to any of you who read my messages
). But fortunately for me, God is letting me take it for a spin anyway, and I can drive just fine even without knowing what's going on under the hood. I don't know why He threw me the keys, but I'm gonna keep driving until the engine dies and He makes me get outta the car. Just have to concentrate on obeying all the highway laws along the way... .I feel that each cultures of people have there own God as they have been raised to worship and respect. I myself could not pass judgement on another man because of his religous beliefs, that's not my job, that's up to the Lord. As far as gifts that are handed out by God, if you except Jesus as your Lord and savior your reward is eternal life the way I believe , and each one will be judged individually for there deeds done on earth and rewarded for thier actions. I myself surely don't have all the answers I just have faith and hope. But I have a hard time excepting that all I was born to become is worm food. I believe when you leave this earth the love will go with you. Bad person "no" Wrong "no" Right "yes" for me.
Good information here on the evolution vs creation
http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html
Check out the FAQ for answers to some of your questions
http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html
Check out the FAQ for answers to some of your questions
Check out this astronomer's (scientific type dude) website. This guy, Dr. Hugh Ross is deeeeep. I am also thrilled about this thread. This is what is actually important in life!! http://www.reasons.org/index.shtml BTW, I question some of this information but will have all my questions answered in Heaven.
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Re: Merrick is the man
(evidently, this dude ain't never seen Merrick DRIVE!!)
Thanks Doc, that means a lot coming from you! Briar said once his oil was, "blacker than my heart"
They are good replys, good discussion. I ain't read nothin that sells me either way, however, valiant attempts!
I have often thought about starting my own religion. They are DEFINATE money makers, perhasp better than a goverment, becuase people give money of their own free will.
Or do they?
Eternal life in heaven or hell, cough the cash up if you want heaven.
Extortion?
I'll take door number 3, please!
(evidently, this dude ain't never seen Merrick DRIVE!!)
Thanks Doc, that means a lot coming from you! Briar said once his oil was, "blacker than my heart"
They are good replys, good discussion. I ain't read nothin that sells me either way, however, valiant attempts!
I have often thought about starting my own religion. They are DEFINATE money makers, perhasp better than a goverment, becuase people give money of their own free will.
Or do they?
Eternal life in heaven or hell, cough the cash up if you want heaven.
Extortion?
I'll take door number 3, please!
No cash needed
The gift of eternal life is FREE!! Thats the beauty of it man. All you have to do is accept it!!! There is no fine print to digest or anything. Jesus paid the price for you, and me. Its pretty hard to comprehend but true.
The gift of eternal life is FREE!! Thats the beauty of it man. All you have to do is accept it!!! There is no fine print to digest or anything. Jesus paid the price for you, and me. Its pretty hard to comprehend but true.
I believe that the earth and everything in it was created. I believe that the Bible is inspired by God who used men to write it.
The discovery of Noah's Ark would not change that.
Here are a few reasons, among many.
The Bible accurately says that ‘all the parts’ of a human embryo are “in writing. ” (Psalm 139:13-16) The brain, the heart, the lungs, the eyes—these and all the other body parts are ‘written down’ in the genetic code of the fertilized egg in the mother’s womb. Contained in this code are internal timetables for the appearance of each of these parts in proper order. And just think! This fact about the development of the human body was recorded in the Bible almost 3,000 years before scientists discovered the genetic code.
: According to the Bible, “the hare . . . is a chewer of the cud. ” (Leviticus 11:6) François Bourlière (The Natural History of Mammals, 1964, page 41) says: “The habit of ‘refection,’ or passing the food twice through the intestine instead of only once, seems to be a common phenomenon in the rabbits and hares. How would Moses, who wrote Leviticus, know that the hare chewed cud before scientists discovered that fact unless he was inspired or given that knowledge by God.
Some 2,700 years ago—long before people in general knew that the earth is round—the prophet Isaiah wrote: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth. ” (Isaiah 40:22) The Hebrew word chugh here translated “circle,” may also be rendered “sphere. ” (A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures, by B. Davidson) Job 26:7 says that God is “hanging the earth upon nothing. ” This is true, for astronomers know that the earth has no visible means of support. Yet for hundreds of years after Job was written, many people believed the earth was
supported by some physical means…giant elephant, turtle, etc.
The discovery of Noah's Ark would not change that.
Here are a few reasons, among many.
The Bible accurately says that ‘all the parts’ of a human embryo are “in writing. ” (Psalm 139:13-16) The brain, the heart, the lungs, the eyes—these and all the other body parts are ‘written down’ in the genetic code of the fertilized egg in the mother’s womb. Contained in this code are internal timetables for the appearance of each of these parts in proper order. And just think! This fact about the development of the human body was recorded in the Bible almost 3,000 years before scientists discovered the genetic code.
: According to the Bible, “the hare . . . is a chewer of the cud. ” (Leviticus 11:6) François Bourlière (The Natural History of Mammals, 1964, page 41) says: “The habit of ‘refection,’ or passing the food twice through the intestine instead of only once, seems to be a common phenomenon in the rabbits and hares. How would Moses, who wrote Leviticus, know that the hare chewed cud before scientists discovered that fact unless he was inspired or given that knowledge by God.
Some 2,700 years ago—long before people in general knew that the earth is round—the prophet Isaiah wrote: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth. ” (Isaiah 40:22) The Hebrew word chugh here translated “circle,” may also be rendered “sphere. ” (A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures, by B. Davidson) Job 26:7 says that God is “hanging the earth upon nothing. ” This is true, for astronomers know that the earth has no visible means of support. Yet for hundreds of years after Job was written, many people believed the earth was
supported by some physical means…giant elephant, turtle, etc.
How old is Earth?
Doc
Doc
Older than MethuselahOriginally posted by lschultz
How old is Doc?
Always liked that one.
Methuselah was 969 years old when Noah's flood got him.
Some people think that the long lives some people in the Bible were reported to have lived is a misinterpretation, it was supposed to be months not years. At 969 months Methuselah would have still been 80. 5 years old.
The long life spans were due to the fact that man was closer to perfection than now. Man was originally meant to live forever. They were to fill the earth and subdue it. The earth would not have been overpopulated if no one died because God could stop the procreation process as easily as he initiated it. Life spans dropped dramatically after the Flood. Abraham lived 175 years... fathered Isaac when he was 100. Adam died at 930 years, Noah at 950, Jared at 962. Since the time of King David, man's life span is generally 70-80 years, as mentioned somewhere in Psalms.
Were there a pair of Yeti on the Ark? On TV today, they showed the leg of a creature that they believe walked upright, like a man, and they said it wasn't from any animal that exists today. It sure looked like a Yeti foot to me!
Doc
Doc
We are finite beings attempting to understand an infinite God. I believe and understand that "I" will never cease to exist. Confronting that concept for any length of time has been interesting to say the least.
As has been said before, if what we as Christians believe is wrong, we haven't lost a thing.
I do refer to my "owners manual" frequently to in and attempt to understand how "The Manufacturer" intended for His product to function.
Andy
As has been said before, if what we as Christians believe is wrong, we haven't lost a thing.
I do refer to my "owners manual" frequently to in and attempt to understand how "The Manufacturer" intended for His product to function.
Andy
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