Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Whats so wrong with the 24 valves??

[Mhannink]

But there is one thing about it, no matter if its the 12valve or the 24valve you have under the hood, its nice to know you can pull just about anything you heart desires even if you need to move your house 2 or 3 feet

you know i think you hit the nail on the head it really doesn't matter what are prefernces might be whether its sitting under the hood tweaking and tunning or just plug and play. it really doesn't matter because they are all better then any other light duty diesel engine out there right now

 

[SConklin]

Can't we all just get along?

 

[nps]

Can't we all just get along?

As soon as we all agree the 24V is better. :-laf

 

[SnoKing]

As soon as we all agree the 24V is better. :-laf

And, nps and I both have best of breed! 2001. 5 that's IT! SNOKING

 

[2-ND TIME]

the 24 Valves

Can't find anybody to fix a FACTORY f*%@+$ SO I have very limited useless power. Even cumins was noooooo help in surrey BC. Can't make enough money yet to fix it so have to sufffffeeeeeer with it. Just need to have a couple of good years of work. maybe $60,000. 00 :-{} :-{}

 

[Kiohio]

The worst thing about the 12valves being so popular is that guys that need an older diesel for a work truck have to pay almost the same as a newer truck would cost.

They are either absolute junk or overpriced. It seems that the trucks from 2001 and back only go by condition and not what year they are.



I can buy a very nice mid 90's Ford diesel for around 5k. Any Dodge Diesel in decent condition in the mid 90's is at least 7k and usually has alot of miles on it.



I'lll just keep searchin'

It's worth the wait.....



BTW Hello Partsman, I work in your neck of the woods!



KO

 

[WyattEarp]

yeah you can buy a very nice(body wise) 90's ford but does that mean your comfortable with whats under the hood or if its going to last, and there is no way im paying 40K+ for a truck, they are over priced and the sheet metal if you can call it that is very thin.

Im not knocking the 24V as i have one and love it, and the 12V i bought i love it the same, its a daily driver to work every day now, the main difference between the 2 is the engine set up. With the 24V you have a more modern road engine, with the 12V those were originally meant for emergency power units, generators, tractor engines and built more for higher use in a more abrupt situation, driving them in the trucks isn't even a good work out for those engines, but its nice to have the piece of mind knowing what i have under the hood, plus im not making payments on it either. But like you say waiting is the key, i waited 7 1/2 yrs to find the 12V i bought, well worth the money paid and time i waited to end up with it.

I must confess i love the old flat body style to... .

 

[BigPapa]

Any Dodge Diesel in decent condition in the mid 90's is at least 7k and usually has alot of miles on it.

I took my '95 to a dealer in town to try to trade on a 24V a couple of years ago. The trucks were similarly equipped and my '95 only had 50K more miles on it than the truck I was looking at. They offered me $4K for mine and wanted $12K for their '99! I haven't been back and I decided that my 5 year old son just might inherit the old girl someday!



Scott

 

[mhuggler]

Had a 92 12 valve for 185k never even knew where the lift pump was, my 02 24 valve is on its 3rd lift pump and second injection pump. Don,t ever try to tell me how grand the 24v setup is. But being fair the number of valves and the electronics have little to do with my problems. The fuel intake system is terrible, Cummins should fire whoever was responsible for that mess, and if it was Dodge, Cummins should have told them NO, Cummins reputation has suffered badly because of that defective fuel system they passed off on us.

Dude, just go and pick up the Holley ''blue'' fuel pump and use it as a pusher... it's $100 and will solve your pump problems. Thats all it takes to cure the 24 valve's problem.

There are pro's and con's to either side, neither are better than the other IMHO... bottom line is they are both better than the 3rd gen hahaha.

 

[Dfuruness]

I think they are both great, so much so I bought a 12V and a 24V.

 

[Wiredawg]

Dfuruness:

That's what I did.



wiredawg

 

[Cummins360]

Well after all this I'm consitering purchacing a 12 valve after all but I just dont know yet.

 

[RonA]

I don't see much difference between 12 and 24. 12 valves use a fuel plate, I use one also. What is this vp44 I keep hearing about? I hear some people carry a spare. I guess it must either be heavy and used as ballast, or something really small that falls off and is easily lost. Probably falls off at the fuel station and several miles down the road you realize it's missing. My lift pump runs off the cam lobe just like everyone else. Isn't FASS a diet drink? I know SlimFast is. An Air Dawg must be a black airline pilot. Tower to pilot,"wassup air dawg". Personally I bought the 24 motor because i liked the valve cover. That's about the only difference I see.

 

[paulb]

:-laf :-laf

 

[jcarew]

You say you have a 12v and a 24v, I still wish I had kept my old 12v as a backup for the 24v

 

[Cummins360]

Yea I cant stand having electronics that I cant easily fix running my damn engine, at least if something mechanical were to break on a 12 valve I could fix it but if a damn computer has a brain fart I will be stranded on the side of the road somewhere with no way to get home, even tho my truck now has lots of power I would much rather have a slightly anemic, yet extremley reliable truck, and the anemic part would be out of the question as soon as the ups guy showed up at my door with goodies!!! LMAO

 

[bkroupa]

Funny, they are the two best domestic diesels available period.

I drove from TX to Alabama to pick my 12V quad cab up that I found online.

 

[jcarew]

12v 24v

We sold our 92 12v with 185k when we decided to get away from pulling trailers and get a motorhome. We got a 27 ft Class c motorhome built on a 24v Dodge cab chassis. It has been a great M. H. and has been trouble free except for the usual problems with the mickey mouse fuel system. Although last summer I had 2 rocker arms break with no known reason and the mechanic said it was due to my exhaust brake. The concensus of opinions was that it could not have been the fault of the exhaust brake, so I really don,t know. My 92 12v was too heavey to use as a toad thats why I sold it. In fact it is still running fine on the east coast. My 24v has 70k, and I don,t know if it will see 225k like my old 12v has time will tell

 

[RonA]

I don't see any reason why the mechanical injection pump conversion on my 24 valve shouldn't go the distance. Don't see why 24 valves would wear any faster than 12. If I had been smart enough to figure out how to hook it up, I might have given the vp a try. I've got 50k total miles on this 24v motor. The way my first gen rides, my spine and kidneys will wear out long before the motor does.

 

[Souders]

24V not reliable

My 99 has left me sit too many times without warning. Many lift pump problems. Crankshaft sensor failure, oil pressure sensor failure. I will not travel without many spare parts that our 12V never would require.