Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Why I carry

[.44 mag]

I've got one of those NAA . 22 mag. revolvers as well. I've got to say that they are well make and very reliable little weapons. I like the fact that they can be carried in many fashions that a full sized weapon would not allow. Having one of them in a vest or jacket pocket works extremely well. Glad I've had mine a few times.

 

[crobertson1]

PGAdams,



Glad to help, but the credit really goes to B. G. Smith for posting a little earlier in the thread (post 49).

 

[DPellegrin]

Gentlemen,

It's been a while since I looked at this post and I am still the lone dissenter. You all love your guns and that's OK. They give you a sense of security and that's OK. However, not one of you has been in a real gunfight, save perhaps the person who claims to be a Marine. My father was a Marine and I know Marines are taught not to boast because they don't need to boast, so I have my doubts. You all some how think that you're going to get the drop on your assailant. When I lived in CA. some years ago my training partner was an LA County Sheriff who had really been in 3 gun fights (hit in the ear once) in his 16 years, much of which was on the gang unit. He told me that he had crapped in his pants every time. Frequently real police officers have their guns taken away from them, and these are professionals that are skilled in use of force tactics. In fact, many police who are shot are shot with their own gun, and you all think you're all going to do better! You been watching to many Dirty Harry movies.



Gentlemen I'm not asking you to think like me. I wise man once said that experience is a harsh teacher "... first you get the test and then you get the lesson. " Don't get tested because there is a real good chance you'll loose; but, just may be you won't. If you think about it, you loose either way.



Respectfully

 

[crobertson1]

Well, I don't know if I'll get the jump on my assailant or not. I just hope to have the chance to fight back and defend myself, or at least equal the playing field if you will. Obviously, I don't want ot ever have to do that, but if it comes to it, I'd rather be prepared.

 

[RAton]

As a retired Officer I know that Officers in California only go to the range to train with their weapons once every three months. And then they only fire 36 rounds. Once a year they train in weaponless defense. How proficiant do you think that makes them? I began shooting in tactical competitions to hone my skills. I feel that if I'm going to take the responsibility to protect myself and others with a firearm I need to do all I can to ensure I will not become a liability. Lastly if someone gets the jump on you, the fight is already lost! I would only hope that my actions might save someone elses life.

 

[EBolgiano]

Mississippi is a right to carry state. No schools or classes, just pay the $132 and get the concealed carry permit. To this day I have trouble understanding why anyone would not want a weapon for personal defense. I live 100 miles North of New Orleans and after Katrina it was a mess. No phones to call the police and they would have had trouble getting to my house because of the debris and all of the trees in the road. An AK with a 40 round clip, a 45 in my pocket, a 9mm in her pocket and we did not worry about it. I have been around guns my entire life and always thought they were a fact of life. Probably just my redneck ways coming out. Ed B

 

[Moe]

Wonder how many firefights that deputy sheriff would of survived if he couldn't return fire with his weapon? Moe

 

[Little Bill]

Gentlemen,

It's been a while since I looked at this post and I am still the lone dissenter. You all love your guns and that's OK. They give you a sense of security and that's OK. However, not one of you has been in a real gunfight, save perhaps the person who claims to be a Marine. My father was a Marine and I know Marines are taught not to boast because they don't need to boast, so I have my doubts. You all some how think that you're going to get the drop on your assailant. When I lived in CA. some years ago my training partner was an LA County Sheriff who had really been in 3 gun fights (hit in the ear once) in his 16 years, much of which was on the gang unit. He told me that he had crapped in his pants every time. Frequently real police officers have their guns taken away from them, and these are professionals that are skilled in use of force tactics. In fact, many police who are shot are shot with their own gun, and you all think you're all going to do better! You been watching to many Dirty Harry movies.



Gentlemen I'm not asking you to think like me. I wise man once said that experience is a harsh teacher "... first you get the test and then you get the lesson. " Don't get tested because there is a real good chance you'll loose; but, just may be you won't. If you think about it, you loose either way.



Respectfully

It's really quite simple. Situations happens. You can be the unarmed guy with his hands in the air in front of the criminal that shoots you between the eyes (0% chance of survival) or you can be the guy who has the ability to meet fire with fire (50% chance of survival). I take the second scenario. That's not 'Dirty Harry'. That's self preservation. It's your right to select the first scenario. Good luck.

 

[kenny61]

Gentlemen,
It's been a while since I looked at this post and I am still the lone dissenter. You all love your guns and that's OK. They give you a sense of security and that's OK. However, not one of you has been in a real gunfight, save perhaps the person who claims to be a Marine. My father was a Marine and I know Marines are taught not to boast because they don't need to boast, so I have my doubts. You all some how think that you're going to get the drop on your assailant. When I lived in CA. some years ago my training partner was an LA County Sheriff who had really been in 3 gun fights (hit in the ear once) in his 16 years, much of which was on the gang unit. He told me that he had crapped in his pants every time. Frequently real police officers have their guns taken away from them, and these are professionals that are skilled in use of force tactics. In fact, many police who are shot are shot with their own gun, and you all think you're all going to do better! You been watching to many Dirty Harry movies.

Gentlemen I'm not asking you to think like me. I wise man once said that experience is a harsh teacher "... first you get the test and then you get the lesson. " Don't get tested because there is a real good chance you'll loose; but, just may be you won't. If you think about it, you loose either way.

Respectfully

Claims to be a Marine?


It is not about getting the drop on your assailant it's about being better trained and better prepared. Anything that can give you an advantage. With that advantage if used properly you win.

 

[RAton]

Kenny61,



Well said.



Thank you for your service!

 

[fest3er]

Digression

We interrupt this thread to bring you the following non-sequitur...



Kenny, how long do you think it'll take the anti-gun, anti-military crowd to closely examine your certificate for veracity?



Oh, wait. They won't bother. They've long since learned that proof means nothing. Lies mean everything, especially lies that've been repeated so often they're now believed as truth. Or, in terms of LISP: (setq nil t)



We now return to our thread, already in progress... .

 

[kenny61]

We interrupt this thread to bring you the following non-sequitur...



Kenny, how long do you think it'll take the anti-gun, anti-military crowd to closely examine your certificate for veracity?



Oh, wait. They won't bother. They've long since learned that proof means nothing. Lies mean everything, especially lies that've been repeated so often they're now believed as truth. Or, in terms of LISP: (setq nil t)



We now return to our thread, already in progress... .

When I posted it I actually had the same thought and almost didn't bother. zBut then I said to my self if an internet posting is good enough for Obama it has to be good enough for me

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

This may have already been posted - is so, apologies:



Why I Carry a Gun





My old grandpa once said to me, "Son, there comes a time in

every man's life when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps

and usually it's when he becomes too old to take an *** whoopin'.



I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep

from being killed.



I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because

sometimes people scare me.



I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun

because there are real threats in the world.





I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. I carry a gun because I

have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.



I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a

gun because I understand the limitations of government.



I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so that

I don't have to spend the rest of my lif e hating myself for failing to be

prepared.



I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry

a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on

a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.



I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy. I carry a gun

because, when I die and go to Heaven, I want to be a cowboy.



I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun

because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.



I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun

because, unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I AM inadequate.



I don't carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because

I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.



"Police Protection" is an oxymoron. Free citizens must

protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime; they

usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone

in to clean up the mess.



Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and

too old to take an *** whoopin'. "



... author unknown (but obviously brilliant, and obviously NOT DPellegrin):-laf



Remember the average response time to a 911 call is over 6

minutes.



The average response time of a 357 magnum is 1400 FPS. (Feet per seconds)

 

[snug]

Don't dare try to tell me I can't have what I deem best for protection of myself and my family. Carry of a firearm is a Constitutional RIGHT, driving a vehicle is not, but just try to tell DPelligran he can't have his truck... ...



Scott

I know this is several months old, but I have never thought about it the way you pointed it out Scott. I couldn't agree more, and thanks giving me another way to educate others.



Doug

 

[BlitzkriegSSII]

This is what I carry a S&W M&P 360 Chiefs Special.

 

[sarj]

I haven't posted to this thread to say if I carry, what I carry, when I'd carry it, or what I'd do, but Mr DPellegrin begs a response.

I could go a lifetime without killing a man, and I'd like to think that's my future. I know it's my preference. My only response to you DP, and it is thoughtful and respectful, is that IF I carried and was forced to use something , it will likely be to cover a retreat, but even more likely to come to the aid to a situation as a wild card some bad guy never saw coming, and if that happens, my most preferred course of action would be to melt away afterward. You always lose when you try to stand in the spotlight... always.

I'm a big guy... 6'4", very athletic, and very intimidating. I wish I wasn't, but it's helped me break up three public group fights by throwing three punches over the years. The fights might have gone elsewhere later, and I didn't care, but they didn't spread in the park and two restaurants they occured. I walked away, and no one ever knew who I was.

In today's world, in today's busy, un-policed, unprotected cities, there are too many punks out there watching too many movies, listening to to too much glorified crap on the radio, who honestly don't have much to lose. I know they carry, and for them it's a badge to use it. It's going to get much worse in the future. The police do not serve and protect... period. They are janitors and garbage collectors. God Bless them for what they do, but the system is set up against them, and the average citizen, until you are already a victim. That is just a fact. Just the idea that enough strangers nearby a situation might be carrying is enough to prevent the destruction of many random victims, and just maybe it'll me or my woman's *** that someone saves some day... who knows? I've only been in one true life threatening situation when I had no defense or refuge. It is a very uncomfortable feeling.

I know of two very specific situations in Arizona where some punks beat a retreat as soon as a gun was displayed in a non-threatening manner. Two potential crimes were stopped in their tracks. Both happened on the highway in cars. A weapon properly used never need be fired to be effective. There is no glory in having to use it, but it easily beats the alternative of being defenseless. I've been there once, and my lesson was learned.

 

[Flying_gage]

DPellegrin,



How old are you? Have you not learned in life not to use your father's experience's as your own?



Nope, I have never been in a gun fight but I have looked at many holes in people who have. I have witnessed too many people die from gunshot wounds. I will tell you (mind you not my father's experience but my own) that watching someone else die in front of your eyes while you are doing everything in your power to save them hurts your soul... Can you say that you have watched someone die from the hands of a violent act? I am guessing not.



I think you need to live a bit more; get married, watch your kids being born and feel all the emotions associated with that. Then think about losing them and what you would do to protect them. Unless you fall into the super small minority and are a sociopath, you would do whatever it would take to keep them from harm. Stress being on WHATEVER it would take.



I have not sensed any Wyatt Earps or Dirty Hairy types in this thread. They espouse the common belief that: leave me alone and I will leave you alone; but should you want to harm mine or my own, God have mercy on you.



Post all you want about your truck, but don't come into this section and post about that which you don't know. It shows a certain youthful arrogance and ignorance which you will probably regret down the road.

 

[snuff]

good thread, nuggent rocks, i have a few of his cook books.....



to DPellegrin stats are useless, but your are more than welcome to your opinion, that what this country is for. but remember the carzies yelling 2nd amendment might be the ones who help keep it here when some people want to get rid of it.



i never really felt i "had" to carry, always had one though, grew up with a "gun in the rack", but for the past few yrs and even lately here in orlando, fl violent crime has taken off sky ward, home invasion w/ rapes seems to be poplar these past few months. i now have a firearm in an easy accessible reach when i am in the house, not just in the cabinet or dresser drawer.



case point, i was at work my wife call me and told me two guys are at the door ring the door bell, it is 2100hrs at night, i told her to go get the shotgun from the cabinet and take the safety off and point it at the door and call the police, i call my neighbor across the street and had told him what was going on and he went out with his gun, the police showed up soon afterward. these two big guys where out selling magizine subscriptions... . yea right.....



what gets me is grown men get scared off when someone (s) forces their way into the house or apartment with gun or other weapon and "phones a friend" 911 while their girlfriend/ wife is rape repeadedly. i believe their man card should be revoked.



i will say i have never had that happen to me and i hope it does not but i promise my family that i will do anything that i can do to protect them. that what i am there for, anything less would make me less of a person, husband, dad to my son.

 

[Flying_gage]

Snuff,



What local?

I am with 99 up here by Chi-town. .



I really though guns were normal too... Seems alot of people grew up the same way I did. It was just accepted. They didn't make you more of a man/woman to have one or fire one, just a tool with a certain application. I wonder when things changed?

 

[AMink]

Snuff,



What local?

I am with 99 up here by Chi-town. .



I really though guns were normal too... Seems alot of people grew up the same way I did. It was just accepted. They didn't make you more of a man/woman to have one or fire one, just a tool with a certain application. I wonder when things changed?

Things changed when the media jumped on the liberal anti-gun wagon and worked very hard to make those of us who own guns sound like crazed, backwood hicks. All guns are evil, those who own guns are evil, bullets are evil, etc. And the real crazies believed it. I think it started in the mid 80's and grew from there.



I'm shocked how much the remaining guns cost! My buddy and I went to Sportsman's Warehouse in Reno the other day. They had very few pistols (some Kahrs and H&K's, maybe 1 or 2 Springfields and a S&W) and not many more revolvers. No Glocks at all! Their ammo for hand guns consisted of two boxes of 9mm personal defense loads, some 44 Specials, and some big bore S&W . 460 and . 500. One or two boxes of some odd-ball stuff. That's it. No . 38, . 380, 9, 40, 357, 45 (a few GAP's). Scary stuff! They said they get their ammo on Thursdays and it is gone. Went to Wallymart and the situation was similar.