2020 3500 DRW ordering for a 5000+lb camper

[R.Taylor]

mine does by 100lbs,had it weighed , its the rear overhang

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My neighbor has that exact same Lance but it's on a 06' 2500 SRW Megacab, He's got a Helwig and bags on it too.

Off subject.... Hey JPM, How do you like the ride with the 19.5's?

 

[JPM]

My neighbor has that exact same Lance but it's on a 06' 2500 SRW Megacab, He's got a Helwig and bags on it too.

Off subject.... Hey JPM, How do you like the ride with the 19.5's?

there is no "ride" empty!, but loaded they are fine ( really as a comparison when empty to the oem 20"ers they are worse but not like night and day , I wouldn't even try the 20's loaded)

 

[gsbrockman]

there is no "ride" empty!, but loaded they are fine ( really as a comparison when empty to the oem 20"ers they are worse but not like night and day , I wouldn't even try the 20's loaded)

How big of a hit in fuel economy did you take with the 19.5’s?

 

[JPM]

How big of a hit in fuel economy did you take with the 19.5’s?

maybe some , I do not know, the tires are the same dia, but overall heavier

 

[Esbern]

I have 4.10 axle ratio in my dually and it is great for pulling 15000-30000 lb trailer but I think it would be overkill for a 5000 lb truck camper and a boat. When I tow my 5000 lb holiday trailer you hardly know it’s there, even in the mountains. The trade off is lower fuel economy and higher revving, louder operation. I would think 3.73 would be more than adequate gearing and save you some fuel too.

 

[Wiredawg]

Friends,

On a 3500 dually, do you have to get max tow setup, high output motor, Aisin transmission, and 4.10s, in order to get the 14KLb GVWR? The OP needs the 14KLb GVWR to carry 5Klb I the Bed, plus pax, and the hitch weight. Remember, extending the reciever hitch several feet to clear the camper for the boat is going to act like a lever and be a weight multiplier on the truck.

I think that's about all I can add.

OP, when you gonna pull the trigger?

Cheers, Ron

 

[AH64ID]

Friends,

On a 3500 dually, do you have to get max tow setup, high output motor, Aisin transmission, and 4.10s, in order to get the 14KLb GVWR? The OP needs the 14KLb GVWR to carry 5Klb I the Bed, plus pax, and the hitch weight. Remember, extending the reciever hitch several feet to clear the camper for the boat is going to act like a lever and be a weight multiplier on the truck.

I think that's about all I can add.

OP, when you gonna pull the trigger?

Cheers, Ron

All DRW's have a 14K GVWR. The motor and gearing all have an effect on GCWR, but not GVWR.

 

[Wiredawg]

All DRW's have a 14K GVWR. The motor and gearing all have an effect on GCWR, but not GVWR.

This dually doesn't have 14KLbs GVWR; It has 12,300Lbs GVWR and 4,580Lbs payload:

https://www.bluebonnetchryslerdodge...-antonio-25d50f910a0e0ae968a87b58bb66c033.htm

Specs and Dimensions

• Compression ratio: 19.00 to 1
• Curb weight: 3,503kg (7,723lbs)
• Engine bore x stroke: 107.0mm x 124.0mm (4.21" x 4.88")
• Engine displacement: 6.7 L
• Engine horsepower: 370hp @ 2,800RPM
• Engine torque: 850 lb.-ft. @ 1,700RPM
• Exterior body width: 2,017mm (79.4")
• Exterior height: 1,991mm (78.4")
• Exterior length: 6,624mm (260.8")
• Front headroom: 1,039mm (40.9")
• Front hiproom: 1,598mm (62.9")
• Front legroom: 1,039mm (40.9")
• Front shoulder room: 1,674mm (65.9")
• GVWR: 5,579kg (12,300lbs)
• Passenger volume: 3,528L (124.6 cu.ft.)
• Payload: 2,077kg (4,580lbs)
• Rear headroom: 1,011mm (39.8")
• Rear hiproom: 1,593mm (62.7")
• Rear legroom: 1,021mm (40.2")
• Rear shoulder room: 1,666mm (65.6")
• Towing capacity: 9,117kg (20,100lbs)
• Turning radius: 8.2m (26.9')
• Wheelbase: 4,305mm (169.5")

So, if we agree there are 2019 Ram 3500 duallies with less than 14Klb GVWR, my question stands.

EDIT: Went to the Ram website... you CAN get 12,300 or 14000 GVWR; 14KLb offers 3.73 or 4.10s. If I followed further, I imagine the difference between 3.73 and 4.10 likely GCWR.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Ozymandias]

Thats more then weird because 12K something is what an 2019 SRW has.

 

[AH64ID]

This dually doesn't have 14KLbs GVWR; It has 12,300Lbs GVWR and 4,580Lbs payload:

https://www.bluebonnetchryslerdodge...-antonio-25d50f910a0e0ae968a87b58bb66c033.htm

Specs and Dimensions

• Compression ratio: 19.00 to 1
• Curb weight: 3,503kg (7,723lbs)
• Engine bore x stroke: 107.0mm x 124.0mm (4.21" x 4.88")
• Engine displacement: 6.7 L
• Engine horsepower: 370hp @ 2,800RPM
• Engine torque: 850 lb.-ft. @ 1,700RPM
• Exterior body width: 2,017mm (79.4")
• Exterior height: 1,991mm (78.4")
• Exterior length: 6,624mm (260.8")
• Front headroom: 1,039mm (40.9")
• Front hiproom: 1,598mm (62.9")
• Front legroom: 1,039mm (40.9")
• Front shoulder room: 1,674mm (65.9")
• GVWR: 5,579kg (12,300lbs)
• Passenger volume: 3,528L (124.6 cu.ft.)
• Payload: 2,077kg (4,580lbs)
• Rear headroom: 1,011mm (39.8")
• Rear hiproom: 1,593mm (62.7")
• Rear legroom: 1,021mm (40.2")
• Rear shoulder room: 1,666mm (65.6")
• Towing capacity: 9,117kg (20,100lbs)
• Turning radius: 8.2m (26.9')
• Wheelbase: 4,305mm (169.5")

So, if we agree there are 2019 Ram 3500 duallies with less than 14Klb GVWR, my question stands.

Cheers, Ron

Those are "standard" specs, not vehicle specific specs... this is exactly why one shouldn't trust dealerships and salesmen.

This here is off that web page, and while the 11.50" axle is incorrect.. the GVWR is correctly listed on that truck at 14K.

Per Ram that truck has a 14K GVW, and a towing capacity of 19,670.

https://www.tfltruck.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2019-ram-hd-towing-chart.pdf

So, no we don't agree that there are 2019 DRW's with less than a 14K GVW.

EDIT: Went to the Ram website... you CAN get 12,300 or 14000 GVWR; 14KLb offers 3.73 or 4.10s. If I followed further, I imagine the difference between 3.73 and 4.10 likely GCWR.

12,300 is the SRW GVW for a 4x4 Crew Cab Long Bed which, with 3.73's, actually has a higher tow rating than this DRW.

 

[Wiredawg]

Gents,

I concede being wrong... damned wrong dealer info. Here is info that further proves I'm wrong:

https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/d...w_Excel_2019_D2_OFFICIAL_INTERNAL_2-06-18.pdf

Thanks for the education. You know what, eating crow pie isn't all that bad.

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So, all that being said AND the fact the big slide in camper manufacturers specifically manufacture their largest unit for 3500 duallies, the OP should be good with one on a 3500.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Cummins12V98]

Something is not correct!!! As mentioned ALL current 3500 DRW trucks have 14k GVWR.

 

[Wiredawg]

Something is not correct!!! As mentioned ALL current 3500 DRW trucks have 14k GVWR.

Ron,
You musta been typing your response after I posted my concession response. Thank goodness I know all about my 2017 Ram 5500, I think???

I'm cooking a brisket tonight for my son in from Colorado, so gotta get up every couple of hours and check it. Its the special things we do, ain't it?

Cheers, Ron

 

[gsbrockman]

Those are "standard" specs, not vehicle specific specs... this is exactly why one shouldn't trust dealerships and salesmen.
So, no we12,300 is the SRW GVW for a 4x4 Crew Cab Long Bed which, with 3.73's, actually has a higher tow rating than this DRW.

And....just to reiterate.....here’s the “true” gospel build sheet for that truck, straight from RAM.
https://www.dodge.com/webselfservice/BuildSheetServlet?vin=3C63RRGL7KG668410

It’s on page eight....

 

[TFucili]

What's the RPM difference 3.73 vs 4.10, about 200? Truck for truck, load for load, and driver for driver I doubt it translates to a big difference in mpg. The new HOs are a bit thirsty.

 

[AH64ID]

What's the RPM difference 3.73 vs 4.10, about 200? Truck for truck, load for load, and driver for driver I doubt it translates to a big difference in mpg. The new HOs are a bit thirsty.

10% more rpms with 4.10’s, assuming the same gear.

The average will be slightly less than 200, but 200 is easier to see on a tach.

It’s also 10% more torque to the wheels, plus/minus the power difference from the rpm change.

I’m still surprised Ram chose 3.73 and 4.10 as their 2 gear sets. 3.42 and 4.10 makes a more sense for having 2 options, especially on a DRW that’s still running shorter tires.

 

[Wiredawg]

Friends,

Since we, mostly me, have gotten past the GVWR issue, am I correct that EXTENDING the reciever hitch several feet from the truck will have a leverage effect and add or multiply hitch weight?

Other than being close on the GVWR with fully loaded large slide in camper, could the long receiver hitch extension cause weight and handling problems?

Cheers, Ron

 

[AH64ID]

There are a couple extended hitch options, and I believe Torklift is at the top of the list.

Something that the OP will have to consider is the longer the hitch the more leverage there is for removing weight from the front axle, which is weight that gets placed on the rear axle. This will happen even with a WDH on the extended hitch.

It will be very easy to get very heavy on the rear axle with a 5K slide-in and tongue weight on a 48” extension.

https://www.torklift.com/automotive/supertruss
https://www.torklift.com/automotive/supertruss

 

[NIsaacs]

Friends,

could the long receiver hitch extension cause weight and handling problems?

Cheers, Ron

Absolutely, however, when using an extension, most of the time it will be a small/light trailer. If ball weight is 500# on a 48" extension, the receiver hitch will "feel" 2K# (I think) but the truck will only have the 500#.

 

[Cummins12V98]

10% more rpms with 4.10’s, assuming the same gear.

The average will be slightly less than 200, but 200 is easier to see on a tach.

It’s also 10% more torque to the wheels, plus/minus the power difference from the rpm change.

I’m still surprised Ram chose 3.73 and 4.10 as their 2 gear sets. 3.42 and 4.10 makes a more sense for having 2 options, especially on a DRW that’s still running shorter tires.

OMG, did you actually say that???

YES the 3.42's were GREAT with the AISIN. Drop to 5th and you have same rpm as 6th with 4.10's. Loved them in my 11 HO DRW towing 29k combined. ONLY negative was the starting gear with the 68RFE. AISIN cured that ONE issue.

To do it again I would have ordered the 3.42's in my current 15 DRW instead of the 4.10's. I currently tow 34-35k combined, a friend does the same with a 13 Mega DRW and loves the 3.42's. His combined is the same as mine.