ATS Lockup Info.. See it here first.

[Pit Bull]

This is what I see and I don't have a dog in the hunt:



Bottom line is how the product works and the service that comes with it. DTT has a proven product with satisfied customers (I've never seen a post from an unsatisfied customer). ATS is new to our group, may have an improved product, may not. Several members are using ATS and time will tell if they measure up. Now lets get back to the technical details of the two product applications.

 

[JIM S.]

AMEN!

BITBULL,





Amen, amen, amen... ... ... ... ... and did I say AMEN!Oo. Oo.

 

[pwr2tow]

PITBULL

(I've never seen a post from an unsatisfied customer).



I have seen posts from subscribers that have had problems with DTT products. The same holds true for every aftermarket transmisson supplier, except I have not seen one about problems from ATS installs, maybe it's too early to tell yet but I have not seen one.



To keep things in perspective I do not use ATS products, I use another product instead.



Ron

 

[Pit Bull]

Originally posted by ronsram1999



(I've never seen a post from an unsatisfied customer).



I have seen posts from subscribers that have had problems with DTT products. The same holds true for every aftermarket transmisson supplier, except I have not seen one about problems from ATS installs, maybe it's too early to tell yet but I have not seen one.



To keep things in perspective I do not use ATS products, I use another product instead.



Ron

Ron don't want to nit pic words with you but I have read most of the posts and I don't recall anyone with a problem with DTT product or service. Now I have read posts where guys have done their own DTT install and wanted questions answered. Ends up, they screwed something up. Later in the thread they alway come back with a post where Bill helped them through their problem and they were not only happy but could not believe that he had been so generous with his time and support, even when they were the ones that screwed it up. Like I said before I don't have a dog in the hunt, and it seems like people have a lot of emotion over this issue. ATS sounds like they have a sharp new product that maybe the next big deal for our trucks. I am not smart enough to know, but I am sure that within the next year we will all know after they get more customers using their products. I have a 2000 automatic and will be using someones product as an upgrade. I am just watching and learning from you guys that have been the pioneers. I am not on anyones side, just here to learn more so I can make a good buying decision.

Thanks

 

[Don M]

Contract manufacturing is a norm. Many companies contract the building or manufacture of their products. One example I can think of is camshaft lifters. Many OEM's and aftermarket companies use one big lifter company build their lifters. The lifters all built using the companies specifications for quality expectations, fit and finish, design, etc. This generally results in a product with a lower cost to produce.

It does not mean that all lifters are created equal. Levels of quality and tolerance will be a cost vs. benefit in all cases.

Watching from the sidelines I see the DTT stuff is making folks who purchase it very happy.

Just because a convertor is built "in-house" does not mean it is the best or better or even worse than one contract manufactured.

It goes back to design, tolerance and product quality. Billet does not instantly mean better. Overall strength, durability and quality does.



Product complaints of DTT are non-existant when it comes to quality and customer servivce. The DTT convertors are built using more of the axiom K. I. S. S. (Keep it simple stupid) Experience plays a part in this too.



Just my opinion of what I see from the sidelines and the commments I hear from fellow Rammers who use the DTT products and services.



Don~

 

[ATSDiesel]

We have decided to remove this post. It is not our style at ATS, this was made only out of frustration. Keeping positive is the only road this company will take. We will not get involved in any negative posting.



Ranee Elder-Cannon

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

JConley,



You earlier asked about the pics that I had posted cause the pics didn't look like what you had seen, I took a pic of the cover as it might help clear somethings up. Again for all wondering this is not one of our TC's that the pics are showing.



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Ron,



Not to try and start anything, but they just had someone post that they are having problems (stack'd & jack'd). Problems happen, it's how you deal with them. I talked with stack'd and I'm sure that it will get figured out in time. Anyone that tells you that they will never have a problem probably isn't being entirely truthful as almost all aftermarket parts need adjustments otherwise they wouldn't be aftermarket. For the record I've never heard my dad claim to manufacture the TC's. There are more than just 1 company involved in the manufacturing of our TC's. Ron if you feel like dogging my dad everytime you get the chance that's your option. The way I look at it if one of our competitors customers are the only critics we are doing a pretty good job.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Ranee,



Why the surpise? We never claimed to do everything in house.

Compromising quality for the braggin rights isn't worth it in our opinion.



I'm not going to get into a debate over professionalism, if memory serves me correct your website ADVERTISEMENT discredits company x throughout. While it's not our company, in that ad it's still not right. That's not even an open forum where the company has the right to fight back, it's an ad for your company.

 

[JHansen]

Skipping back a few pages here to where Don said they "melted the hoses" off the Mustang dyno they were running on... ... last Mustang I looked at used an electric brake-didn't see any hoses running around. So what were the magic hoses? Breathing air so you could keep the pedal down on that bad boy with all the diesel smoke in the air? Inquiring minds want to know... ... .



Course I'm just a dumbo from the oilpatch-talk of ceramic coatings and CNC ported heads send me right back out to the field where I merrily change charts and talk to wellheads to ground me again.



Jason

 

[Don M]

Power Wagon, Jconley and Stakeman,



The pictures that Stefan posted do have the same front cover as the ATS. The top picture is hard to see the front cover, but the cover is billet. It appears to be the same as the ATS. It is just turned over.



To the guys at ATS: is this a picture of your broken TC?

Do you have your TC's welded using the method shown in the picture? If not, do you furnace braze them? Do you guys have a furnace brazing machine in your transmission shop?

I would think the welding splatter could break loose and get into the transmission easily.



Don~

 

[JConley]

Since I have posted in this thread, I bare partial responsibility for this mess but..... This has gotten out of hand. We are getting very close to the Dieselpage where we want vin numbers and serial numbers for anything to provide proof! Any horsepower number that a person posts is hashed and trashed, and not trusted. Now I see why Stacked and Jacked wont post his numbers because he would be immediately put on the chopping block, and dragged through the mud because someone out there with less knowledge and a keyboard will get critical. I dont think we should take everything at face value, but there is a balance between "Good job!" and "No way in hell, what was the time of day, ambiant pressure, temp, humidity,..... " You see my point.



Here is an idea. ATS is not going away, and time will prove the Tripple Lock converter for better or worse. Why not let the product stand on its own. Think of this from the vendors point of view. Would you want to open yourself up to all this madness in return for all your hard work?? Trashing the competion only makes the source look bad, and it forces the vendor to defend themselves. At least this is how I see things. I am willing to bet that a lot of people posting in this thread either have the transmission upgrades they will keep, or sticks. For those of you with complete DTT setups who are happy, and not looking for a replacement, I ask " What is the point of posting here? You already are happy, are not going to change, so why bash a competitor whose products you arent going to buy anyway??



Personally I dont need anyone to look out for my best interests. I research things, then make my purchase based on a number of factors. If what I buy isnt the best in others eyes, I really dont care! This applies to both oil and transmissions.



I would ask that before we hit the submit button, ask yoursef if what you are posting is a jab at something or somebody? or is it something that can contribute to the learning process. Its just a thought, but at least I can still have hope... .

 

[Don M]

JConley,



I popped the front cover picture up here:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/user_gallery/displayimage.php?&photoid=1177&width=0



Don~

 

[JConley]

Thanks Don.



Yup that is a cover... . At this point, I have seen enough.

 

[HeberRam]

Auto vs Manual?????

I'm glad I don't have an auto, therefore, I won't affend anybody... My six speed is plenty fast enough, however, with you auto boys I won't beat you off the line. . Its the long haul I git you!!!



Since I like beer ( especially some one elses, I'll take some of you on!)



My South Bend Con FE holds just fine, thanks to Peter...



I hope everyone can come to May Madness... so we can end this madness at least for this year. .



P. S. My truck is an every day driver 24/7 no trailer for me... I'll drag, pull, dyno, whatever, and still drive home. . See Yaaa



Steve Covalt

 

[TDRadmin]

Keep It Within The Lines

For any/all vendors posting within this thread, keep it factual AND professional.



For everyone else, have a spirited discussion, but keep unnecessary attacks out of the discussion. Nothing to learn from them; they just stir up trouble and ill will.



I appreciate the support.



Robin

TDR Admin

 

[Power Wagon]

Originally posted by Don M

Power Wagon, Jconley and Stakeman,



The pictures that Stefan posted do have the same front cover as the ATS. The top picture is hard to see the front cover, but the cover is billet. It appears to be the same as the ATS. It is just turned over.



To the guys at ATS: is this a picture of your broken TC?

Do you have your TC's welded using the method shown in the picture? If not, do you furnace braze them? Do you guys have a furnace brazing rig in your transmission shop?

I would think the welding splatter could break loose and get into the transmission easily.



Don~

This picture:

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is what interests me.



Someone tell me what part this is.



Not having seen one, or seen pictures of one, I do not recognize this part as matching descriptions of the triple lock converter.



One last comment. If these are only a a month or two old, and failed ,why did the owner/user not get warranty?

 

[Cummins4Life]

Originally posted by Power Wagon





This picture:

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is what interests me.



Someone tell me what part this is.



Not having seen one, or seen pictures of one, I do not recognize this part as matching descriptions of the triple lock converter.

I was wondering the exact same thing, to me it does look like the inside of the ATS cover, if you look at the notches around the rim and inside and compare that to the outside of an ATS cover it looks similar. Also in this picture of the ATS clutches (if I'm wrong on the manufacturer of these parts please say so!) ATS triple discs you can see the same aarow as in above, of couse I'm just brainstorming and it is very possible that I am mistaken.

 

[ATSDiesel]

Stephan... .



It is unfortuante after all the posts you feel we do everything in house for "simple bragging rights". Stay focused, please.



JConley. . your post... I really admire. Why does something so incredibly fun have to be completly picked apart over a computer screen.

If everything remained the same, how boring would that be? I hope everyone is as happy and excited to jump in thier trucks everyday, like Clint and Don are.

Stakeman walked into the shop the other day with this smile... . After asking what was up... I had never seen anyone so happy to have gotten a speeding ticket... . Oo.



Thanks to all... Until next time... . Keep up the blacksmoke...



Ranee

 

[Don M]

Originally posted by CCannon

Stephan... .



It is unfortuante after all the posts you feel we do everything in house for "simple bragging rights". Stay focused, please.



JConley. . your post... I really admire. Why does something so incredibly fun have to be completly picked apart over a computer screen.

If everything remained the same, how boring would that be? I hope everyone is as happy and excited to jump in thier trucks everyday, like Clint and Don are.

Stakeman walked into the shop the other day with this smile... . After asking what was up... I had never seen anyone so happy to have gotten a speeding ticket... . Oo.



Thanks to all... Until next time... . Keep up the blacksmoke...



Ranee

I guess I will try again.....





To the guys at ATS: is this a picture of your broken TC?

Do you have your TC's welded using the method shown in the picture? If not, do you furnace braze them? Do you guys have a furnace brazing machine in your transmission shop?

I would think the welding splatter could break loose and get into the transmission easily.





Don~

 

[Snow man]

Id like to hear ATS's response to the question,is it there TC? Stephan,your pictures came out good enough for me.