Burried boost gauge, blew head gasket

[Stomp]

Well I went to the track to race a guy from my work that has a viper. We have been talking allot of smack to each other at work. I know in the back of my mind that he probably was going to win, but I think I could have given him one heck of a go at it.



Well I was doing some solo races and on my second run I got back to the pits and was going to let it cool down and burn up any water meth still in it. Get out and walk around come back to see antifreeze going all over the ground. :{ :{ :{ I didn’t even get to run him once both he and I were disappointed. Oh well it happens for a reason right, well that’s what my mechanic keeps telling me that and I told you so. :-laf Well my mechanic asked if I just wanted to replace the gasket or go and get a o-ringed head or go all out and get one that is ported and polished and o-ringed.



I told him I was done messing around and I want him to take everything that was aftermarket off and turn it back to stock. That way I could hold an auction to raise the money to pay him to do the head gasket. :{ :{



Did anyone believe me??????? :-laf don’t worry the B. U. S. T (Blow Up Stomps Truck) is still a go. I told you I will get 600hp and I don’t want to disappoint you guys so the project must go on.



My mechanic was going to call Piers and see about a ported/polished/o-ringed head. I should find out later what the outcome is and what the projected cost might be. Well this is probably going to set back the twin turbo job just until we get it back together. Maybe we can just do it all at once, but we will have to see.



I am stuck driving my girlfriends Honda more crying :{ :{ :{



Stomp

 

[paccool]

Well, that sucks but is not completley unexpected! :-laf We were talking about how long the gasket was going to last with 55 pounds of boost! I'm sorta surprised it lasted this long. Too bad you didn't at least get to throw a little smoke at the Viper. How high of boost are o-rings supposed to handle?



Bad thing is I wanted that HX-40 you have on the truck now :{ :{

 

[Greenleaf]

Well, maybe next time you'll be better off to whip that viper. Imagine the look on this face when all he can see is smoke up ahead :-laf



GL

 

[Stomp]

More crying

I just got the quote for a Ported/Polished/O-ringed head. Just the parts alone for the head minus the gasket/studs/other minor things $2800. :{ :{ :{ :{ :{ :{ :{ :{ :{



Stomp

 

[paccool]

Wow!



More HP = More $. Or is it the other way around?



Stan

 

[ARedetzke]

I just got the quote for a Ported/Polished/O-ringed head. Just the parts alone for the head minus the gasket/studs/other minor things $2800. :{ :{ :{ :{ :{ :{ :{ :{ :{



Stomp

It's only money, I hear they're making more of it!! Problem is, I'm not!!

 

[RonA]

That must really suck to have head gasket problems. I was going to email you and tell you about the close race I had with an '87 Dodge Caravan going to Chico yesterday. A Mong family with 18 children in the car. But they were all small, so it was still a pretty quick van. I out pulled them twice. We stopped at a light and he rolled down his window and said" If I wasn't towing this boat I would have kicked your butt. " I just smiled. Excuses are for loosers. I can not even imagine having the b**** to race a 'vette or a Viper.

RonA

 

[BushWakr - RIP]

Ron, Ron, Ron,... . what in the wide world of sports are you doing... . is this a scientific and imperical test to determine destructive limits of metals and fibres or what??

I know this will make you feel much better... . here ya go...

I personally know someone with a 1st Gen truck (yup a REAL 1st gen VE pumped) that has run in excess of 70 psi, then not wanting to take any chances backed off to 60 psi and had no troubles... . mind you he didn't have high heat issues. . but still. . it was done with a stock head gasket (11 years old), no studs, no o-ring, no nothing...

Ron, you gotta start living a clean life here bud... . maybe attend church a little more. . do some Hail Mary's or is it Male Hairy's... whatever. .



Hey Stomp were did you get that quote because it seems not right, unless there is more to the job/parts etc ... this is assuming your head is not cracked and is a candidate for the work.



edit:... I kinda figured you had more to be done Stomp... all our heads are cracked to one degree or another... Brad'll do it right... no worries. .







pastor bob... . looking for "Rampaging Ron" in the pews... .

 

[RonA]

Bob.

I tried running 70 psi in my tires just like the person you are describing. I also ended up letting the air down to 55-60 lbs. I don't see what that has to do with head gaskets and studs, but I am not yet wise to the ways of Pastor Bob.

Stomp.

The head for my truck was not that much. Piers had said he was working on a first gen truck head. It must be something special. At 2800 I would have to consider a newer complete motor maybe a 12 valve with under 100k? Probably could get one for 4k or so. Any way you do it it is going to hurt the wallet. Been there,done that, it sucks.

RonA

 

[BPonci]

Ron,how much should a head o-ringed stage 2 cost? Outright no core, due to cracks.

 

[sparks57]

Dude, you need to think things through before you go puting drugs and all this power through your truck. High HP blows stuff up, like trannies, head gaskets, intercooler boots, clutches, u-joints, spider gears... etc.



I just don't understand why you've gone through the trouble of puting all this stuff on your truck and not upgraded components to handle it. O-ringing is pretty basic.



And what's this? You have a mechanic doing all your BOMBing??? How are you going to learn if someone is doing all the BOMBing for you?



I'm just trying to say that this shouldn't have happened. Planning is required when going for big numbers... there are a lot of periphrial upgrades that you're overlooking that are just as important as big injectors and drugs.



PS: Did you dyno without all your drugs? What were you at?

 

[sparks57]

Oh, and BTW: The newer Vipers are running 500hp and 500ft/lbs of torque (flywheel), and weight much less than your big diesel, and are WAY more aerodynamic. You'd have to be pushing a lot more power than that to beat him.

 

[Stomp]

Cb

Yeah I like to add the power then find out were the weak parts are. I also like to have mechanic work on stuff they usually get it right the first time. Yeah I knew that it was going to go it was just a matter of time, but now that I am going to fix it and it will be done right the first time. There was no harm to the motor.



So what your saying is that you are going to do all that work to your pickup by yourself. transmission,twins,etc,etc. I'll give you props if you can do all of it by yourself.



I ran it on the dyno on straight #2 and got 419hp/1000tq. I have done a couple of other fuel system mods since then maybe thats what put me over the edge of blowing my head gasket. I was going to dyno again next weekend now I might have to wait untill the next first gen day.



The viper that I was going to race is only 450hp it is not one of the new ones. It was just for fun. All I wanted to do is show him that my pickup is not as slow as he thinks it is.



Stomp

 

[RonA]

Brad.

I am sending you a pm with the prices .

RonA

 

[sparks57]

Stomp, you'll find that adding power and finding the weak links after is going to cost you a lot more money in the long run.



All I'm trying to emphasize here is that there is a lesson to be learned, and that I hope you take that to heart when pondering future BOMBs.



I do all my own work, except for porting, which Dave Miller does (but I may do my own porting on my new truck), and transmission work, which I do not have the equipment for. I could install the transmission, but definately not the internals like DTT does. Not many people do know enough to do it.



I personally installed every single part that went into my first gen, except for the first mods I ever did, which was gauges. Mike Dorsey, and a couple other friends helped me with that. As well as a turbo, but of course I had removed and installed it several times since.



I had to do it that way, the closest people to me that knew anything about first gens (enough to help me anyways) were at least an 8 hours drive from here... you learn to do things real quick when you don't have access to help besides the TDR.



Just ask Daniel... :-laf



I don't trust anyone to work on my truck except people that I absolutely, positively, know could do it better than me. And then I watch or ask for a description of how it's done so I know how to do it next time.



And what do you mean by "props"?



Dude, I'm not trying to flame you or turn this into a ******* match, just trying to give advice. I respect the power you've made, as anyone should.



Good job.

 

[Paychk]

Hey CB, since you spend so much time with us 1st Genners, wouldn't it be smart to trade back up to a real truck? :-laf

 

[Stomp]

Well I found out that the price that I listed earlier was counting in the factor that I need a new head due to possible cracking. We dont know yet if it is cracked, but due to the temps that I used to run and the propane it very well could be cracked we will just have wait and see.



CB I could probably do the job myself, but I have to ask why. I would rather sit around and drink beer maybe chase a little tail than to waste my days off turning wrenches and getting my hands dirty. It always seems to me that I didnt get the right part or seal or I ended up finding something else that is broke or need to be replaced and the job ends up taking longer than expected. I just take it to my mechanics shop and tell him to fix it. If he finds something else that need to be fixed he does it. When he is done I give him a check and drive off knowing that it was done right. If I didnt trust him I would not let him work on it. I would recomend him to anyone. He is also the kind of guy that if I decided to do the job myself and didnt have the right tool he would let me borrow it.



I also know that you wernt trying to flame me we just do things different that all.



PROPS= attaboy, good job



Stomp

 

[sparks57]

There's the difference. I find the satisfaction of doing it myself to be just as important as the SOP dyno after I'm done!



Paychk: REAL truck? Man, if I would've found an absolute CHERRY first gen for a price the bank would take, I would've bought one... but this truck was sittin' pretty on the lot here! I was in a pinch and needed a truck fast.



Here's a link to a couple of pics if you'd like to see it:



http://www.nwbombers.com/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=14;t=9387

 

[Forrest Nearing]

the only reason I work on my own junk is because I can't afford to pay someone to do it for me...



Forrest

 

[Paychk]

CB



That is a sweet truck, the only thing I really have against the newer trucks is how the engine sits in the engine compartment. It looks like it would be a pain to turn wrenches on it and I'm like you I like turning my own wrenches.