Def Delete Kit

[JR]

I might actually feel better if that was written by a Cummins (Not a Ram) engineer rather than a journalist.

 

[Newsa]

I might actually feel better if that was written by a Cummins (Not a Ram) engineer rather than a journalist.

Ram engineers the ECM. Cummins engineers the EGR. You can thank the Ram engineers and the Cummins EGR

 

[JR]

Ram engineers the ECM. Cummins engineers the EGR. You can thank the Ram engineers and the Cummins EGR

You sure do have a bad habit of spreading misinformation.

 

[JR]

Duplicate post

 

[KPear]

You sure do have a bad habit of spreading misinformation.

You do realize that FCA (Ram) has some hand in the engine development and setup, right? If you think that FCA just takes the Cummins engines without any input into the design process, you've got your head in the sand.

 

[KPear]

You sure do have a bad habit of spreading misinformation.

You do realize that FCA (Ram) has some hand in the engine development and setup, right? If you think that FCA just takes the Cummins engines without any input into the design process, you've got your head in the sand.

 

[JR]

You do realize that FCA (Ram) has some hand in the engine development and setup, right? If you think that FCA just takes the Cummins engines without any input into the design process, you've got your head in the sand.

Having input is a world away from the notion the ecm was "designed" or engineered as Newsa puts it by FCA. Obviously the engine has to be tailor made to be turn key in FCA product regarding things such as motor mount locations, trans options, and hp/torque configuration. Those are all INPUTS on what they want for a final product. Much different than ENGINEERING a specific engine component.

 

[Newsa]

Accidentally repeated post

 

[Newsa]

You do realize that FCA (Ram) has some hand in the engine development and setup, right? If you think that FCA just takes the Cummins engines without any input into the design process, you've got your head in the sand.

Yes, I realize that. JR was just trying to knit pick apart (split straws on) my post.

Cummins works closely with Ram HD and Commercial design and test engineers.

Few engineers work in isolation (none I have ever met). They work in teams and across product lines when parts, components, or even entire systems are sourced.

I was just humoring JR. He loves what he calls my misinformation. Yes, I have made some mistakes and learned from them. JR has yet to make ANY mistakes. :-laf

 

[JR]

Ram engineers the ECM. Cummins engineers the EGR. You can thank the Ram engineers and the Cummins EGR

Yes, I realize that. JR was just trying to knit pick apart (split straws on) my post.

Not knit picking anything, what you said was incorrect. The ECM is integral to the engine. Leaves the plant bolted right to the side of the engine block. FCA no more Engineers any part of that controller than Komatsu, Grove, Manitowoc, JLG, Freightliner, or Versatile, to name a few does.

 

[JR]

Ram engineers the ECM. Cummins engineers the EGR. You can thank the Ram engineers and the Cummins EGR

Yes, I realize that. JR was just trying to knit pick apart (split straws on) my post.

Not knit picking anything, what you said was incorrect. The ECM is integral to the engine. Leaves the plant bolted right to the side of the engine block. FCA no more Engineers any part of that controller than Komatsu, Grove, Manitowoc, JLG, Freightliner, or Versatile, to name a few does.

 

[JR]

I was just humoring JR. He loves what he calls my misinformation. Yes, I have made some mistakes and learned from them. JR has yet to make ANY mistakes.

And now your muddying the waters. Lord knows I make mistakes in life. I'm far from perfect. And I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong wether it be a simple mistake that costs ME time or money or a major screw up in a bid that's cost my employer tens of thousands of dollars (yes I've done THAT). The difference being my employer knows I do my due diligence to ensure to the best of my abilities everything is right. Mistakes happen, it's a part of life. But when one goes around spewing whatever rolls off the tip of his tongue with no regard as to who it affects, which I've seen all too frequently, that's crossing a line.
As a teacher I hope you can relate to that.

 

[Newsa]

I might actually feel better if that was written by a Cummins (Not a Ram) engineer rather than a journalist.

This was actually tested by someone on this forum complete with EVIC pictures of mileage and count down. It may have been GSBrockman???? Count downs show up on the EVIC. The truck never derates.

I will believe the journalist until someone proves him (or her) wrong and actually experiences limp mode based soul-ley on the def/SCR system. Limp mode might occur because of transmission or other engine issues when the truck is preventing self destruction. But Cummins/Ram made sure it was not due to emissions.

A little EGR is better than alot of EGR. It is debatable whether no EGR is better than a little EGR. My clean diesel serves me well. And I feel better knowing I won't be stranded with a limp mode.

 

[JR]

5 minutes with Google found this.

Truck went into limp mode. Luckily I was a mile from the dealer (the ONLY dealer here) and put the hazards on and went for it. I incited a lot of road rage!

Also Greg posted in the same thread regarding running out of def.

ran into a low DEF condition near Covington, VA a few weeks ago. I was hoping to be able to source some bulk DEF at the pump, but I was in Deliverance Country and went about 30 miles on the other side of the 200 mile-to-derate message. I went to an AutoZone and purchased some in a 2.5 gallon jug---I'll also note that I didn't turn the truck off while I was inside, in the event they were out of stock

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/2013-general-discussion/1470474-anyone-else-def-issues.html

Notice his screen shot says 5mph derate on restart, long idle or fuel refill. Apparently he didn't want to be a guinea pig and didn't shut his truck down, can't say I blame him.
Since you are so confident, Perhaps you could be a TDR test mule and go on a nice long road trip and intentionally run out, or next time you get the countdown from a cel ignore it and see how far you get :-laf.

 

[KPear]

5 minutes with Google found this.



Also Greg posted in the same thread regarding running out of def.



http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/2013-general-discussion/1470474-anyone-else-def-issues.html

Notice his screen shot says 5mph derate on restart, long idle or fuel refill. Apparently he didn't want to be a guinea pig and didn't shut his truck down, can't say I blame him.
Since you are so confident, Perhaps you could be a TDR test mule and go on a nice long road trip and intentionally run out, or next time you get the countdown from a cel ignore it and see how far you get :-laf.

It's easy to find anecdotal internet stories which suit your narrative. The DEF/SCR work system works well enough and is certainly more reliable than the DPF/EGR only system it replaced.

You've got a DEF fill gauge. Make sure your DEF is near full before starting a long trip, bring some extra if you're worried about running out and you'll be fine. There is no reason for any drama.

 

[JR]

You've got a DEF fill gauge. Make sure your DEF is near full before starting a long trip, bring some extra if you're worried about running out and you'll be fine. There is no reason for any drama.

The only drama is the $h|t you are spreading. Apparently your reading comprehension is not up to par, that or you didn't even bother reading the post I linked. The OP didnt run out of DEF to go into limp mode, and if you bothered reading post number 50 you'd know I didn't either to get the countdown. I'm no more concerned about running out of DEF than I am running out of fuel. Try to understand what it is your reading before you post.

 

[Newsa]

The only drama is the $h|t you are spreading. Apparently your reading comprehension is not up to par, that or you didn't even bother reading the post I linked. The OP didnt run out of DEF to go into limp mode, and if you bothered reading post number 50 you'd know I didn't either to get the countdown. I'm no more concerned about running out of DEF than I am running out of fuel. Try to understand what it is your reading before you post.

JR, take your Drama back to the political forum. Don't feel so hurt.

 

[JR]

JR, take your Drama back to the political forum. Don't feel so hurt.

When have you seen me post in the political forum? I rarely even visit there let alone post. I'm not "hurt" over anything Newsa. Just calling a spade a spade.

 

[KPear]

The only drama is the $h|t you are spreading. Apparently your reading comprehension is not up to par, that or you didn't even bother reading the post I linked. The OP didnt run out of DEF to go into limp mode, and if you bothered reading post number 50 you'd know I didn't either to get the countdown. I'm no more concerned about running out of DEF than I am running out of fuel. Try to understand what it is your reading before you post.

I'm saying the 6.7l derate is not a common occurrence. If owners keep their DEF full and follow the proper maintenance procedures, there is a high probability they'll be trouble-free.

The bad apple stories get picked out and passed on because everyone gravitates towards drama.

So yes, maybe you can find a few examples of people having trouble with their SCR or other emissions systems. But for every one of those, how many more trouble-free vehicles are there that never get talked about?

 

[Bob4x4]

The big picture often gets lost on the forums.Having worked on these trucks daily I see a somewhat larger sampling than most members here.I have no problem recommending the def models over the earlier 6.7 versions.The failures are a much lower % than the non def models.
Admittedly the scr cat situation was a handful but at my shop was taken care of with great speed.I was replacing them before the recall hit with the new style.My parts manager was able to stock all 3 part #s and normally had plenty on hand to get everybody in and out same day.