Def Delete Kit

[tony1461571]

I have someone on another group I belong to said they added a Def delete kit to there truck. Don't know the make for sure original discussion was about a Ram 3500. I'm not thinking of doing this. I was just wondering if anyone has a how it turned out. To me it seems like a bad idea.

 

[SnoKing]

"To me it seems like a bad idea." 10-4

SNOKING

 

[Ozymandias]

It can be done, in Canada this seems to be street legal for non commercial vehicles. So I was told by the people from BD Diesel last Fall.

Ozy

 

[tony1461571]

Doesn't the Def help deal with the increase amount of soot going back in the motor. Which is the whole reason for the Def isn't it.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Yes DEF (diesel emission fluid) that gets injected in to exhaust pipe was to have the egr recirculate less exhaust back in to the engine.
The DEF doesn't hurt mileage or power just your wallet a little. No reason to delete it.
It's part of the Emission system you don't want to be caught with out it working.

 

[tony1461571]

That's what I'm saying when you delete the Def and put more soot back in the motor is real bad for the oil and will be harder on the motor.

 

[K9Kodi]

If you delete it, there is no more egr.

 

[SnoKing]

If you delete it, there is no more egr.

And no more warranty or passing a smog test!

But, hey BD knows more than RAM. SNOKING

 

[jhenderson]

Than Ram, maybe. Cummins, probably not.

 

[tony1461571]

Thanks everyone for the feedback. This isn't something I ever thought of doing. The person that said they did I thought not a good idea. I built Cat 3406 truck engines and EGR. And is why they no longer make truck engines.

 

[Lawdogs]

DEF is not directly related to the amount of soot that goes into the engine. Diesel engines run lean, and because of this, there is excess oxygen in the exhaust gas. During combustion, the oxygen forms with nitrogen to produce Nitrogen Oxides. aka NOx. The job of the ERG is to return some of the exhaust gas back to the combustion event to reduce the amount of excess oxygen available to form NOx. Of course, this reduced mileage and performance on our trucks as well as putting soot back in our engines.
In order to reduce the amount of exhaust gas used in the combustion event, the amount of NOx that is produce during combustion had to be dealt with further down stream. Our trucks now have the Selective Catalytic Reduction system (SCR). It is in the SCR that the DEF gets injected. Through the use of catalytic components and the urea, which is converted to ammonia, the Nitrogen Oxides are converted to just plan ole Nitrogen (N) and water (H2O).

 

[K9Kodi]

And no more warranty or passing a smog test!

But, hey BD knows more than RAM. SNOKING

Here's how I look at it. Just because cummins designed the egr system, doesn't mean it's the best idea. Yes, it's probably the best design, but no egr system is probably the healthiest for the motor. Saying "bd knows more then ram or cummins" sarcastically doesn't mean much. If the epa regulates it, and ram demands it, cummins designs it to comply, which does not make it better then a deletion. I just had to be done. Kinda like the best outcome possible, but not the best idea

 

[Ozymandias]

So it is, they would love to build a Diesel without all that crap, but it is mandatory and so they do it.
But there are also places on this planet where such isn't needed.
If someone wants to travel with a Gen4 farther then Mexico a Delete MUST BE DONE prior to leave the First world.

 

[K9Kodi]

I bet ram would rather not have the deletes as well. There's a lot of warranty work on someone time and dime.

Again, if we were talking about bd designing a full def/egr system to replace cummins design, I would think, yeah right, they can't be better engineers and designers for a cummins motor then cummins. But we're not, we're talking about a deletion of the system. It has nothing to do with knowing more or being better. The egr system is more of a handicap and opens up more avenues for problems. Byes, a deletion would absolutely increase longevity and durability and dependability. Cummins only installs them bc they have to if they want to sell any motors. Bd isn't trying to improve on a design, they are deleting a design.

 

[Ozymandias]

So it is, and by the way, eBay is full of cheap little electronicboxes to delete DPFs and AdBlue on nearly every Car it seams.
Sure for Northamerica it isn't big deal about fuel quality - here in Europe it is, soon after leaving the EU the fuel quality drops bottom less, a lot of people and commercial transport companys have problems because of that.

Look at this, only the light blues are safe.
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[zetatre]

That's a 7 year old map -> http://www.unep.org/Transport/New/PCFV/pdf/Maps_Matrices/world/sulphur/MapWorldSulphur_June2015.pdf

 

[Ozymandias]

Jep, 2016 is also out butbi dont know how to insert a pdf here, and jpeg is old.
It didn't change a lot, even mexico is tabu for you US guys.

 

[spoon059]

Out of curiousity, what is the perceived benefit of deleting your DEF system? The financial savings are a few dollars every couple hundred miles... but it will take a LONG time to recoup the investment into the system. I don't know how DEF affects fuel mileage or longevity of the truck either.

Can someone enlighten me?

 

[kthaxton]

It certainly doesn't hurt mileage, and if one has to meet current emission requirements, it indirectly improves mileage vs the alternatives (that I'm aware of anyway).

 

[gtwitch]

I heard from one of my local GM Service Tech friends, that Duramax is going away from DEF either by 17 or 18 but they did not have any information about what will be GM's pollution solution for the future?? Anyone else hear anything like this???
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