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I miss my diesel. :{ Just thought i would tell people who understand. It is not gone for good just for the winter. Using my dads f250 extcab. 2 kids don't work real well in a reg cab. I have a few issues that i need to take care of before I stick the wife in it in the winter. So will be back in it in the springOo. . Sorry no reason for this post other than telling people who understand... . Thanks for the shoulder.



Alex
 
Hey, no need to explain. My '07 is sitting beside the barn with a couple feet of snow on it at this point. I've been driving our gasser Silverado the last few days to work. Maybe I'm just getting old, but having heat in the cab quickly in the morning sure is nice. :-laf
 
I miss my truck everytime i drive a gasser. It doesn't matter if it is the wifes hemi truck or my GTX, there is just no substitute for all that torque. Randy
 
I am only plowing my driveway with my truck this year and an occasional run on highway when it is dry outside.

I bought a Jeep Rubicon for driving to work and some off road fun. This thing is warmed up in 1 mile. I know I am getting old when I appreciate the heat this thing puts out. Worse mpg's than my truck. :{
 
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I miss my diesel. :{ Just thought i would tell people who understand. It is not gone for good just for the winter. Using my dads f250 extcab. 2 kids don't work real well in a reg cab. I have a few issues that i need to take care of before I stick the wife in it in the winter. So will be back in it in the springOo. . Sorry no reason for this post other than telling people who understand... . Thanks for the shoulder.



Alex



There, there. [Pats Alex on the shoulder. ] This, too, shall pass; winter rarely lasts forever. I drove a Hemi Magnum for a month while mine was being worked on. Darned car was too small and too low to the ground. Even my motorbike sits almost as high as the truck seat.
 
Yeah, I hear everyone about having heat within a mile. My wife's XC-70 has heated leather seats too boot. Its a nice car and all but it definitely ain't the torque monster our trucks are. And its like driving a friggin couch down the road. I'm chillin till it warms up in the morning but since I'm driving it every day, at least I don't have to say I miss my truck.
 
Conundrums...

I started "getting mine ready for winter and plowing" while wearing shorts and cleaning up the rusty, dirty parts outside... It's been sub-zero for a long time now and the snow in my driveway is about even with my Mighty 73hp Subaru Justy's hood... the only plowing it has had all winter has been done by the Sube's undercarriage and bumpers.



There's something psychological happening here, I suspect. After sinking all this time and money into replacing EVERYTHING in the steering, suspension, driveshafts, brakes, etc. , I am beginning to think I'm afraid to finish up and hitch the old girl to the plow and tear it all up again. I can keep finding things to fix for as long as I care to look for them (sigh). What good is a garage-queen plow-truck? If I ever wash it, will I then be afraid to drive it in the rain?
 
I new it wasn;t just me. Heat is nice in a short time especially with the kiddos. But... . It ain't no CUMMINS. Thanks for the support.



Stay warm and keep it on all four
 
I have one but never used it :rolleyes:, thought I be able to give it a try when I was in KC for Thanksgiving but it only got down it the high twenties which has been our lows down here lately:{ (Having an Open Air Produce Stand cold weather doesn't help sales).

In low 30 temps my Mule was blowing warm air with in 3 miles My Freightliner took a little bit longer ( I don't like to have to wait for warm air twice in same morning;) but I was dressed :) for cold weather).
 
I have block heaters on our gas vehicles. Don't use them much, even in subzero weather. Probably should.

Our new Volvos with Cummins at work are embarrassing to the Cummins name. Between all the computerized crap and the evil "regen" smog systems, they are absolutely MISERABLE trucks to have in cold weather. They are costing the company a bloody fortune in frozen trucks and breakdowns and repairs and wasted fuel.

You cannot simply leave them running when it gets brutally cold. The smog system will plug while idling for even just a couple hours, much less extended periods. When that happens, it will quickly progress to an expensive breakdown since the truck cannot regen itself while idling. So it shuts down and freezes up anyway.

If you drive all the way to work over the weekend to "regen" the truck manually, which I sure as hell won't do, you will have to sit and wait for one to two hours for it to maybe; hopefully; get hot enough (1200 degrees) to get the job done. You must then reset the fast idle to keep the truck running again, else it will shut itself off and freeze solid.

The fuel filters, exposed, uninsulated, and too far from the motor to get any engine heat, have silly little 12v electric heater coils that do not work well and do no good at all if the fuel in the tanks and lines is gelling. Headquarters for our company is in Tennessee where they have NO CONCEPT of what sustained sub-zero weather is, so the morons refuse to pay a little extra to have in-tank heaters installed or ordered on our new trucks. They are VERY effective and simply reroute hot engine coolant through a series of coils in each tank to warm the fuel while the engine is running.

Ever since ULSD came out, I swear the cold weather properties of diesel have taken a downward plunge. You need so much and so many additives, it is very expensive. And they only do a marginal job.

The company is doing all it can to make the freezing and gelling and dead-truck issue the "driver's problem". They dictate using their fuel at the terminal and insist it is properly treated and "DO NOT ADD any Additives!!". So we do as told, and ALL of our trucks gelled up. Now it is "You MUST Add this stuff and this amount", except they run out of it and many trucks are still gelling.

If your truck is not left running all week and weekend and won't start, it is YOUR fault. If you leave it run and it clogs the regen system (guaranteed it will), that is also YOUR fault. The extra fuel consumed will also be held against your fuel mileage bonus, so forget getting any bonus. These computerized smog Cummins get such lousy mileage anyway that fuel bonuses are a thing of the past to begin with.

I told the new shop manager, in charge of all this stuff, that I was going home for the weekend and I had filled my tanks with HIS fuel, HIS additive package, and plugged it in. He wanted it left running. "OK, but I will not be driving the 30 mile round trip every 10 to 12 hours to manually regen the thing. I have things to do of my own and I don't get compensated for the time or fuel to do that. "

"Well, it will be your fault if it clogs up. "

"No. It won't. But, then I will plug it in. If it won't start Sunday night, I will go home and your truck and loads can sit until warmer weather for all I care. It is the company's truck. I did NOT spec it. I did NOT choose the fuel or additives. I damned sure did NOT design such a miserable smog system. Have a nice weekend. "

Any diesel truck with properly treated fuel and good batteries that will not start when left plugged in is not worth owning. Especially now that the Government has decided the air coming out the stack must be cleaner than the air going into the intake filter. You could not GIVE me a new personal truck with those nightmarishly expensive and unreliable systems.
 
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SRath - again with those blasted Cummins powered Volvos, I'll bet they never even addressed the cab exhaust fumes situation yet. And too boot they want you to do the forced regen - unbelievable. You told them right, not your truck, not your spec, not getting paid for it, not your problem. Sounds like they need to either hire someone to keep those POSs in condition to start when the drivers show up or get different trucks for you guys to run. ridiculous
 
It will be late in the year before I am able to drive mine again since I am in Qatar and the truck is in PA. So I am stuck driving a Jeep Commander and getting run off the road by the locals in Land Cruisers and Suburbans.



Would be nice to be able to roll coal when the locals want to tail gate with there high beams on because you are doing the speed limit and they ignore the speed limits. The fine for tail gating is 50,000 QAR or $13,731.
 
It will be late in the year before I am able to drive mine again since I am in Qatar and the truck is in PA. So I am stuck driving a Jeep Commander and getting run off the road by the locals in Land Cruisers and Suburbans.



Would be nice to be able to roll coal when the locals want to tail gate with there high beams on because you are doing the speed limit and they ignore the speed limits. The fine for tail gating is 50,000 QAR or $13,731.



Install a bypass from the fuel rail to the throttle body with a valve. When you want smoke, open the valve. Gassers will smoke almost as well as a diesel when they're overfueled.



Either that or run a second fuel pump and dump fuel into the tailpipe with a sparkplug near the end. Full throttle should give a nice 20' flame out the exhaust. Unless there's a law against running an afterburner on a gasser. :D
 
If the fine for tailgating is $13,731 I can't imagine what it would be for a 20" flame out the tailpipes - Yeowweeee!!!!!
 
For anyone wanting a warm truck that will start when you want it to, no matter how cold it gets... go to Sheid Diesels website. They sell a diesel fired heater... heats the coolant in the block and can also heat the fuel in the tanks... is microprocessor controlled and uses about a quart of fuel in 6-8 hours and can even turn your heater / defroster fan on at a preset time if you'd like. It uses less battery than a dash panel light to operate. I've got a friend that has one in his D. Ram Cummins. . really nice getting in a truck on a below 0 morning and it fires right up and the temp gauge instantly reads between 150 and 180 degrees and the frost and ice on the windshield never happened !... the unit isnt much larger than a shoe box ! Myself. . I have block heaters and battery warmers and use them anytime it gets below about 10 degrees. The battery warmers are about 20 bucks and are an electrically heated blanket that fits around the batteries... makes a night and day difference in the power they can send to the starter at -40... which happens a lot in the winter up here. . batteries only produce 40% of their potential power at 0 degrees... thats for a brand new one. With the blanket keeping them between 60 and 70 degrees... they spin the engine just as fast as warm weather. I also use Howes in the tank... never ever gelled with it. . we also use Arctic Express... you southern and eastern guys probably can only get that Power Service junk at Wally World... and I mean it's junk. . absolutly worthless at temps of -10 or lower for any extended period. . wax particles will form and plug the tank pickup strainer screen. A quart of Howe's will protect 100 gal of fuel down to about - 45... A gallon of Arctic Express will protect about 500 gallons of diesel to at least the same temp.
 
I will add my 2 cents here.
HOWES fuel Additive rocks. I spend some winters in MT and Live in AK. have seen -40 degrees many times no gelling while using howes. I use it in all my rental properties for the oil heat extremely sastified. never a fuel related problem with the cummins or any of the oil fired boilers. Block heaters I am an Engineer on ships with diesel engines ranging from 200 hp to 10000 hp ALL of our engines are kept warm using block heaters or jacket water heaters. the only time we turn off the heat is for very long periods of rebuilding of the engines. therefore when My truck is not garaged I always plug it in. the worst thing that can be done to a diesel is to start it cold, my opnion. and finally I purchased a 1998 ram 2500 gasser for the 5 mile back roads commute to save wear and tear on the 99 cummins. there is no place for me to plug it in to keep the cummins warm for my 12 hour shift. the gasser is up to temp in 2 miles. I baby the cummins till it is time to hook it up to the fiver then the truck works like it is supposed to with very little engine problems.

Have a great day hope this helps

chris
 
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