Dieselgate lands on FCA and Cummins?

[Berrigan]

"[FONT=STselection !important]What's scary is if this is the end of the FCA/ Cummins"

Unlikely! The plant in Columbus starting with the 2017 model year will be ONLY producing engines for RAM trucks. I spoke to a lady that was working on the 2019 6.7 for RAM. It will be Cummins 100 yr anniversary and 30 yr for RAM/Cummins [/FONT]marriage.

I agree, both have too much invested in this relationship. Cummins makes the finest diesel engine and FCA knows that the majority of diesel Ram purchasers are after the engine as much or more than the truck. Its simple business to both of them. Threaten, then get the attorneys involved and try to make the corrections with as little of your money as possible. That's what they are both doing. They will work it out. They both need each other and they both know it.

 

[kthaxton]

No, it began after WVU tested a number of VW diesels in their laboratories and found them to be out of compliance. They turned their findings over to the EPA, and it took off from there.

Rusty

Yep, and VW admitted to their deception after they were busted. Basically, they had a different set of parameters in the computer for when the car was hooked up to emission testing equipment. Other auto manufacturers even shelved some of their Diesel development because they felt they couldn't come close to competing with VW...now they know why.

No fabrication there. They cheated, and got caught.

There's been a good discussion about this whole debacle in the last several issues of the TDR magazine.

 

[Wayne M.]

Folks can say what they want. I want to know what prompted the WVA "study" and how did the TDI get singled out? You know anything not following the NARRATIVE gets dead- including the light duty diesel. (In this case the Ram is grouped) Don't you think the Duramax is in the same boat?
Do you know every single gas engine vehicle goes into open loop at a certain engine load? And when it does, it's a gross polluter? If you don't understand, pm me and I'll explain.

 

[RustyJC]

I want to know what prompted the WVA "study" and how did the TDI get singled out?

Because of the fuel mileage and performance VW was able to achieve when others couldn't, I suspect. I'm not big on conspiracy theories on this one. They cheated and got caught.

Rusty

 

[Ram4Sam]

Because of the fuel mileage and performance VW was able to achieve when others couldn't, I suspect. I'm not big on conspiracy theories on this one. They cheated and got caught.

Rusty

Yes they did.... it's too bad they caught.........as I sit here filling out the paperwork for them to buy back our Jetta. Great little car that gets incredible mileage and actually built quite well......actually going miss it ..........and go back to a gasoline powered car that gets half the mileage.......

Sam

 

[kthaxton]

Do you know every single gas engine vehicle goes into open loop at a certain engine load? And when it does, it's a gross polluter?

Apples and Oranges. Open loop under certain conditions is expected, widely known and allowed. This had nothing to do with typical open loop mode. VW specifically cheated, they created parameters to fool the emissions tests. They broke the law. These are nowhere near the same thing.....oh and.....VW admitted to the wrong doing. There's no conspiracy in how this was discovered.

 

[Wayne M.]

The VW guys seem to be an honest bunch, they got caught, now they're out. We will never know what triggered the study and then their fall. Show me anywhere the USEPA allows a vehicle to be a gross polluter even for a second (aside from buying credits). Causing a gasoline vehicle to operate in open loop and measuring it cannot be part of the USEPA hurdle, but it happens under certain conditions. This is one of the very reasons for a check engine lamp. All cars behave when driven a certain way. VW just went too far perhaps.

This can go on and on.

I just hope hope we can find out what's going on, and the storm passes without damage.

 

[Killer223]

See and here i thought it was because the EPA needed money to fix the F up they did in Colorado. and VW just happen to be the fall company.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Thank for goodness that you guys changed subject and quit knee jerking about Cummins leaving the Fiat/Chrysler brand.

 

[JR]

Between the widespread vibration issues and now this this is another black eye Ram doesnt need. Hopefully they get it resolved without straining the relationship too much, Sergio is becoming all too well known for making hair brained decisions in the name of saving a buck. I read where the diesel take rate on Ram HD trucks are somewhere around 80%, I think it's safe to say Ram definitely needs Cummins but losing Ram would barely be a blip on the radar for Cummins.

 

[transe]

Yes they did.... it's too bad they caught.........as I sit here filling out the paperwork for them to buy back our Jetta. Great little car that gets incredible mileage and actually built quite well......actually going miss it ..........and go back to a gasoline powered car that gets half the mileage.......

Sam

When the government takes away your "great little car that gets incredible mileage" because it doesn't meet their (ever-increasing) standards, I think that indicates that government regulation has gone too far. Most consumers would be shocked if they knew how much better (and cheaper!) their cars and trucks would be, were it not for all the government regulations.

I'm all for clean air, but isn't our air clean enough NOW? And why is it ANY business of the government to regulate how much fuel economy my vehicle must achieve?

 

[RustyJC]

Between the widespread vibration issues ......

Shhhh. Don't tell my truck about that. It doesn't have any vibration issues, and I don't want it to pick any up.

Rusty

 

[Deleted member 995608]

When the government takes away your "great little car that gets incredible mileage" because it doesn't meet their (ever-increasing) standards, I think that indicates that government regulation has gone too far. Most consumers would be shocked if they knew how much better (and cheaper!) their cars and trucks would be, were it not for all the government regulations.

I'm all for clean air, but isn't our air clean enough NOW? And why is it ANY business of the government to regulate how much fuel economy my vehicle must achieve?

Vote Trump!

 

[JR]

Shhhh. Don't tell my truck about that. It doesn't have any vibration issues, and I don't want it to pick any up.

Rusty

Just don't let it fornicate with any affected trucks! :-laf

 

[kthaxton]

The VW guys seem to be an honest bunch, they got caught,

Lol.... the irony! They can't be very honest now can they!

We will never know what triggered the study and then their fall.

There's plenty of info out there:
http://mashable.com/2015/09/22/vw-tdi-emissions-scandal/#biKzFrz4Zkql
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
http://fortune.com/inside-volkswagen-emissions-scandal/

Really, there's no conspiracy, their numbers seemed too hard to believe....so various groups started digging.

 

[kthaxton]

but isn't our air clean enough NOW?

In many areas.....not even close to "clean enough". You should see the Salt Lake Valley during a temperature inversion...and bad air isn't limited to areas with geographical constraints like SLC.

I'm no tree hugger, I have to work with the EPA on a regular basis (including our state's division of air quality....and they're the worst!) and probably have more reasons than most of you to get frustrated with them..... but believing air quality is just peachy is naïve.

 

[Wayne M.]

Lol.... the irony! They can't be very honest now can they!



There's plenty of info out there:
http://mashable.com/2015/09/22/vw-tdi-emissions-scandal/#biKzFrz4Zkql
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
http://fortune.com/inside-volkswagen-emissions-scandal/

Really, there's no conspiracy, their numbers seemed too hard to believe....so various groups started digging.

I bet theyre more honest and upright than most any us politician. They would deny any wrongdoing like any Clinton would.

The Fact that the tdi performance is too good is not enough to form a lynching party. The question here is, are they after FCA now? Sure seems it.

 

[Wayne M.]

When the government takes away your "great little car that gets incredible mileage" because it doesn't meet their (ever-increasing) standards, I think that indicates that government regulation has gone too far. Most consumers would be shocked if they knew how much better (and cheaper!) their cars and trucks would be, were it not for all the government regulations.

I'm all for clean air, but isn't our air clean enough NOW? And why is it ANY business of the government to regulate how much fuel economy my vehicle must achieve?

Indeed. We need less government.

Went to an antique truck show, and watched the show after the show- the big pull out. All these authentic trucks rowing their gearboxes and leaving the park. I tell you, it was incredible to watch and to revisit what any heavy commercial area looked like back in the day.
Yes the air (and water) is pretty clean today. Just hold what we got. It's manageable at this point.

 

[Ram4Sam]

The Vw and FCA deals are not exactly the same thing.......VW committed out and out fraud by having two programs in the ECM, one for a clean test and one for a better performing car but not so squeaky clean emissions. The faulty SCR on the ram trucks performs fine and meets the emissions requirements.....it just isn't lasting long enough.

Sam

 

[kthaxton]

Exactly. Two totally different scenarios.