Factory getting tougher on adding boxes to Increaseing hoursepower

[Tomeygun]

Tomeygun

Do boxes like the Quad tow and Edge EZ leave a telltale trail in the computer?

not that I am aware of...



Cause it is all about fooling the ECM. .

 

[JR2]

I have been on the TDR for a fair amount of time and every year this topic come us. It all goes back to one statment.



If you bomb you are your own warranty station, end of story.





Don't try to lie, cheat or otherwise mislead the dealer, its not the right thing to do. You decided to play, now you have to pay.

 

[kblranch]

Depends if the dealer is going to lie ,cheat and steal from me . If I have an EZ on my truck and they are going to try and void my entire engine warranty and then try and make me use the Magnuson act to get it reinstated the deception will continue. Sorry but fair is fair. They can use the simple signature on a piece of paper right or wrong and then we are facing paying some lawyer to get the warranty back when it should never have been voided in the first place. If the dealer can clearly show a part has been damaged from the addition of a "box" then granted that part should not be covered but the entire engine warranty should still be in full effect.

 

[Snoxracer]

Your warrenty is only as good as your dealer, I know of dealers that will even sell and install performance inhancements on new trucks. They will charge you an arm and leg for the goodies but they claim they will not cancel your warrenty if a problem occurs. My dealer knows of the performance mods on my truck and has no problems with them. He knows I am a power junkie and we have a good relationship. He would rater have me buy $50k trucks than be mad because he denied my warrenty.



Snoxracer

 

[ASchuerg]

Don' t let them bulls--t you

I have been through this with Dodge twice before on a gas version as well as diesel.

Unless they can directly prove your mod directly caused a specific failure they don't stand a prayer. this is almost impossible to do. I was told if i changed the exhaust in any way i voided the warranty NOT TRUE!!!! 5" duallys 2006 6 spd. helps alot



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what they want is you to purchase a morpar part exclusivly

 

[Bob Wagner]

When your ECM is programmed, it is reset.



Doesn't matter whose programmer.



Ask your dealer.



Merrick

until Marco makes a statement on this I would stay tuned.

 

[BK]

True and we all know the common sense version of it.

If I put 35" tires on , your not going to blow your Cummins.

But you may wipe out a front wheel bearing or ball joint early.

So they should deny a warranty for the engine based having 35" tires, but it's happened cause the dealer reasons it's too much of a load ( yea I know the common sense version of this too. . if not towing, the bigger tires and slightly extra load aint' nothing to the engine). But it has happened, of course as you say, unless you pay the dealer for it, and have them add it to the lease or bottom line.

Either way , both happens , and when dealers are quick to deny or yank the warranty, your only recourse is a lawyer to win.

As they say, you play - you pay - one way or the other.

 

[Huskerman]

I have been on the TDR for a fair amount of time and every year this topic come us. It all goes back to one statment.



If you bomb you are your own warranty station, end of story.



Don't try to lie, cheat or otherwise mislead the dealer, its not the right thing to do. You decided to play, now you have to pay.

I am glad that SOMEBODY feels the same way I do. Used to be a LOT more of this attitude back when I joined the TDR 7 or so years ago. Now it seems like most folks think they should be able to attach rockets to their truck and not void the warranty.

Depends if the dealer is going to lie ,cheat and steal from me .

Just so I understand you correctly Mr. Branch, what you are saying is that YOUR honesty and integrity is based upon the honest and integrity of others??? Well, to each their own I guess but that's not how I was raised. "Situational Ethics" won't help me any when I look in the mirror at the end of the day.



Sorry if that offends, but some of the posts in this thread just blow me away!!

 

[SKargo]

I am glad that SOMEBODY feels the same way I do. Used to be a LOT more of this attitude back when I joined the TDR 7 or so years ago. Now it seems like most folks think they should be able to attach rockets to their truck and not void the warranty.







Just so I understand you correctly Mr. Branch, what you are saying is that YOUR honesty and integrity is based upon the honest and integrity of others??? Well, to each their own I guess but that's not how I was raised. "Situational Ethics" won't help me any when I look in the mirror at the end of the day.



Sorry if that offends, but some of the posts in this thread just blow me away!!

Exactly what I was thinking. You are either honest, and have integrity, or you are dishonest, and lack integrity.

It's not a part time thing

 

[JR2]

Just so I understand you correctly Mr. Branch, what you are saying is that YOUR honesty and integrity is based upon the honest and integrity of others??? Well, to each their own I guess but that's not how I was raised. "Situational Ethics" won't help me any when I look in the mirror at the end of the day.



BINGO!

 

[Marco]

Key On Count & Smarty

As much as I hate to talk about a product that's not finished & still under R&D...



The third gen Smarty will NOT reset the "key on counter" exactly as the second gen one. There's more to the third gen's ECM's... 3rd gen Smarty will not reset the trip / total distance statistics , Smarty will keep the engine load % statistic within "normal" parameters. That's what I call homework.



A tech will not be able to see anything out of normal in an ECM that's been updated with a Smarty if the stock software has been flashed into the truck prior to service.



We have just worked all over the weekend on those. Smarty's firmware is now being implemented for it. A TON of work!



Nough said?

 

[Tomeygun]

As much as I hate to talk about a product that's not finished & still under R&D...



The third gen Smarty will NOT reset the "key on counter" exactly as the second gen one. There's more to the third gen's ECM's... 3rd gen Smarty will not reset the trip / total distance statistics , Smarty will keep the engine load % statistic within "normal" parameters. That's what I call homework.



A tech will not be able to see anything out of normal in an ECM that's been updated with a Smarty if the stock software has been flashed into the truck prior to service.



We have just worked all over the weekend on those. Smarty's firmware is now being implemented for it. A TON of work!



Nough said?

wow, and after talking with a few cummins tech a while back... THAT is no small feat!



One small question:

Where do I sent my order/money again? hahaha

 

[Bob Wagner]

congratulations to Marco and Stefan Thank you

 

[DieselFiend]

I'm sure you've all heard this one. You can't fight an unconventional war with conventional tactics. Dealers and manufacturers don't care about situational ethics. They care about selling you a truck, honoring a little warranty to help the word of mouth about the product. When the cost outweighs the benefit, a dealer will generally deny the warranty claim. However, when you retain an attorney, the gap between cost and benefits gets larger in terms of cost. They usually ease up at that point.

Being totally honest with a dealer that isn't being totally honest with you will cost you money, and lots of it. If you tell them you've got a chip when you take it in for problem, thats exactly what they will suspect. If you make them figure it out then they can fairly deduct the problem being caused by the chip. Enough said, we should lay this post to rest.

 

[thejeepdude]

As much as I hate to talk about a product that's not finished & still under R&D...



Nough said?

Hey Marco, nice to see you on a 3rd Gen thread! While we've got your attention, can you give us a hint whether the first iteration of 3G Smarty will in fact be able to modify/eliminate specific injection events? I have heard that rumor tossed around, and I know you've eluded to it being possible, but I have yet to hear it from the horse's mouth if we can expect it right away. Regardless, I can't wait to try out a smarty on my '05! Awesome work!

 

[kblranch]

JR2 and Skargo

When dealers begin using an attitude of categorical imperative in regards to the warranties that they issue I would be most happy to recipocate. If the dealers were truly above reproach there would be no need for a written warranty or sales contract as a good old fashioned western hand shake would seal the deal. However the days of Roy Rogers and Hop Along Cassidy are long gone. If you are questioning my personal integrity you have come to the wrong place my friend. I spent 25 years in business and was never sued and when it came time to sue someone that reneged on paying me for $250,000 for extras on a goverment subcontract I chose to liquidate and sell off my company rather than deal with this kind of scum.

It is wonderfull to see that there are still two such wonderfully pious individuals left in this world and its too bad that that we are all not that way as it would be such a lovely and loving world to live in .

Live and let live and Be carefull about casting the first stone.

 

[Huskerman]

It is wonderfull to see that there are still two such wonderfully pious idividuals left in this world and its too bad that that we are all not that way as it would be such a lovely and loving world to live in. Live and let live and Be carefull about casting the first stone.

So does this mean if my neighber steals from me, it's ok for me to steal from him?



Pious? No. Perfect? Not even close. But I refuse to let other peoples actions dictate whether or not I am honest with them. Integrity isn't what you do or don't do when everybody is watching, it's what you do or don't do when you know that nobody is watching.



If peoples warranties are so important to them and they are so fearful of the dealer voiding it, I have to question WHY they are bombing their truck in the first place. Why don't you just leave your truck stock???? You can't have your cake and eat it too.



Should Dodge be required to PROVE that your mods broke the part. Yes, they probably should and if you get a lawyer you might even force them to.



This whole argument is like the chicken and the egg? Who was dishonest first, owners or dealerships?? At the end of the day, I have no way of knowing so all I can control is my honesty.

 

[MCummings]

The third gen Smarty will NOT reset the "key on counter" exactly as the second gen one. There's more to the third gen's ECM's... 3rd gen Smarty will not reset the trip / total distance statistics , Smarty will keep the engine load % statistic within "normal" parameters.

I stand corrected.



Merrick

 

[john3976]

I stand corrected.



Merrick

BullyDog says their TripleDog Down Loader also does not reset the key cycles, ect.

 

[DieselFiend]

"So does this mean if my neighber steals from me, it's ok for me to steal from him?"



Huskarman, you're comparing apples to mexican jumping beans here. You're comparing something illegal to something that's legal. You're not legally obligated to tell the dealer you have a chip, even if he asks. However, the dealer is legally obligated to prove that a mod is what caused it. For mental control puposes, don't tell them you have a chip. If you tell them, they immediatly suspect it as the cause of the problem. They WILL find a way to determine your mod as the cause of the problem if it saves them any money at all. As money gets tight for these dealers and manufacturers, the warranty departments get tight also.