Fuel filter cover removal

[SnoKing]

Because the correct tool is 3/8 drive and much shallower which allows less angle on the universal or better yet allows the use of a wobble extension. Being 3/8 helps hold the gorillas at bay.

What he said ^^^^^! Snoking

 

[Cummins2014]

You want a picture of my small collection of 1" drive sockets?

I think the 1 1/8" is in the truck box, as that is what fits the anode in the trailer hot water tank. If I recall mine is a 12 point.

SNOKING

First time on my filter change I used a 1 1/8" 12 point, but sure would not recommend using it, and definitely would not recommend a 29mm from Genos.
My second filter change was using a 28mm 6 point bought from Autozone. 28mm is .575mm smaller then 1 1/8" ,and a tighter fit, and less chance of rounding the nut.
Not sure why Genos only offers the 29mm for the job ,certainly not the right socket.

 

[Cummins2014]

Curious, why not a 1 1/8" 6 point socket?

Better yet why not a 28mm 6 point better fit ,worked awesome when I used mine. I certainly wouldn't be putting a 1mm bigger socket on that filter housing. Have to believe thats some of the problem guys are having with removal. Thats putting a socket thats just over 1/ 32" larger then it needs to be.

 

[gsbrockman]

Not sure why Genos only offers the 29mm for the job ,certainly not the right socket.

I agree!!!
Just the other day I noticed the same thing....
1 1/8" = 1.125"
29 mm = 1.141"
28mm = 1.102"
I've had no issues with my 1 1/8" six point 1/2" drive deep socket.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Can you buy a 1 1/8" 6 point socket for $6.95. And it would weigh twice as much and I am watching my weight!

Snoking

I assumed you the man with all the cool things would have a 1 1/8" 6 point socket.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Better yet why not a 28mm 6 point better fit ,worked awesome when I used mine. I certainly wouldn't be putting a 1mm bigger socket on that filter housing. Have to believe thats some of the problem guys are having with removal. Thats putting a socket thats just over 1/ 32" larger then it needs to be.

The difference is right between 1/64 and 1/32", that difference will NOT strip using a 6 point socket.

 

[gsbrockman]

Can you buy a 1 1/8" 6 point socket for $6.95. And it would weigh twice as much and I am watching my weight!

Snoking

I keep forgetting.......you 3500 SRW guys do have to watch your weight. #ad


First.......a 12 point 1 1/8" socket.......then a 3500 SRW truck......what will be the next incorrect tool for the job??? #ad

 

[SnoKing]

I assumed you the man with all the cool things would have a 1 1/8" 6 point socket.

My 1 1/8" is a 12 point 1/2 drive. It fits tighter than the 29MM from Geno's. I sent a message to Genos' about them selling a 29MM socket when I should be a 28MM. I will report back on what they have to say. SNOKING

 

[SnoKing]

I got out my digital caliper and measured 28MM on the hex. SNOKING

 

[Cummins2014]

My 1 1/8" is a 12 point 1/2 drive. It fits tighter than the 29MM from Geno's. I sent a message to Genos' about them selling a 29MM socket when I should be a 28MM. I will report back on what they have to say. SNOKING

Of course your 1 1/8" fits better then the 29mm its smaller, and maybe you didn't read my post ,but the 28mm fits even better.

Have no idea what Geno's will say ,but its pretty simple if 28mm fits why even bother with what they have to say. Of course if you have already payed for one plus shipping, maybe they will refund for selling the wrong size.

 

[Cummins2014]

I got out my digital caliper and measured 28MM on the hex. SNOKING

And what was your conclusion, I did the same, and the reason for the 28mm 6 point socket I purchased. Its seems to be some confusion on whether a 28mm works, well it does very nicely. And heaven forbid its a 1/2 drive .

 

[Cummins2014]

The difference is right between 1/64 and 1/32", that difference will NOT strip using a 6 point socket.

Maybe you will explain why, when there is always the chance of a larger socket slipping OFF ,and taking some of that plastic off on its way, and over time will eventually strip the head. Maybe you have an explanation for the ones that are stripping that filter cover, IMO its got a lot to do with a 29mm socket .

IMO get the right tool for the job.

 

[Cummins2014]

Because the correct tool is 3/8 drive and much shallower which allows less angle on the universal or better yet allows the use of a wobble extension. Being 3/8 helps hold the gorillas at bay.

Thats an opinion, once that universal , and socket is on that nut it makes NO difference IMO whether that is a shallow or conventional socket. There is plenty of room for that universal to flex to allow that socket to be straight up, and down to remove. Yes I use a 1/2 drive ratchet with steady pressure until it starts moving. Leverage is nice if you know how to use it.

 

[CBari]

I have put a little piece of pipe on my 1/2" drive ratchet before. The one thing I don't do is use any extension. It is a tight fit but I don't worry about rounding anything off.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Maybe you will explain why, when there is always the chance of a larger socket slipping OFF ,and taking some of that plastic off on its way, and over time will eventually strip the head. Maybe you have an explanation for the ones that are stripping that filter cover, IMO its got a lot to do with a 29mm socket .

IMO get the right tool for the job.

Not sure what you are getting at, "I" use a 1 1/8" 6 point socket It fits good and have zero issues doing so. My 2011 HO had the same housing so at that time it was recommended on here to use the 1 1/8" 6 point. Mine is an short 1/2" impact socket I keep in my truck toolbox. I use a 1/2" wobbly on top of the socket with a long extension and a 1/2" ratchet. I am guessing those having problems are using 12 point sockets.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

I have used 1-1/8" sockets, both 6 point and 12 point but now have a 28 mm (gasp, a 12 point) to try next time. I put a bit of high pressure grease on the threads and o-ring (just a film, you don't want a glob to get into the fuel). I don't gorilla tighten the lid, either. My SRW, that hated creature (lol), has a 7000 lb. GAWR vs. 6900 for the first gen dually, so I can take the weight!

 

[Cummins2014]

Not sure what you are getting at, "I" use a 1 1/8" 6 point socket It fits good and have zero issues doing so. My 2011 HO had the same housing so at that time it was recommended on here to use the 1 1/8" 6 point. Mine is an short 1/2" impact socket I keep in my truck toolbox. I use a 1/2" wobbly on top of the socket with a long extension and a 1/2" ratchet. I am guessing those having problems are using 12 point sockets.

We are apparently not on the same page, you replied to me when I stated the problem could be the difference between 28mm and 29mm . The difference is over 1 /32" . You are talking about the difference between 28mm ,and 1 1/8" , yes .022 . Less of a chance with 1 1/8" then using 29mm, but IMO if you are having to buy a socket, which I did, then go 28mm 6 point. It makes no difference whether its a short impact or a conventional . I only had a 1 1/8 12 point, that I used for the first filter change. IMO ,and others its playing with fire using a 12 point.

Why some think it needs to a short socket in 3/8 drive escapes me, like the one from Geno's , which is the wrong size .

 

[gsbrockman]

Not sure what you are getting at, "I" use a 1 1/8" 6 point socket It fits good and have zero issues doing so. My 2011 HO had the same housing so at that time it was recommended on here to use the 1 1/8" 6 point. Mine is an short 1/2" impact socket I keep in my truck toolbox. I use a 1/2" wobbly on top of the socket with a long extension and a 1/2" ratchet. I am guessing those having problems are using 12 point sockets.

My 1 1/8" six point deep socket has served me well since 2003....when I bought a RAM 2500 Quad Cab 4x4 Sport w/305*555 & NV5600. From the "What it's Worth Department"......Between the '13 I previously owned and my current '14....I've performed 14 fuel filter changes with this setup and also have zero issues.

Really unsure why Geno's recommends / sells the 29mm socket for the task of removing the fuel canister lid.

The instruction sheet plainly states 1 1/8" or 28mm six point sockets are to be used.
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We are apparently not on the same page, you replied to me when I stated the problem could be the difference between 28mm and 29mm . The difference is over 1 /32" . You are talking about the difference between 28mm ,and 1 1/8" , yes .022 . Less of a chance with 1 1/8" then using 29mm, but IMO if you are having to buy a socket, which I did, then go 28mm 6 point. It makes no difference whether its a short impact or a conventional . I only had a 1 1/8 12 point, that I used for the first filter change. IMO ,and others its playing with fire using a 12 point.

Why some think it needs to a short socket in 3/8 drive escapes me, like the one from Geno's , which is the wrong size .

Correct!!

 

[Cummins12V98]

" between 28mm ,and 1 1/8" , yes .022 . Less of a chance with 1 1/8" then using 29mm, but IMO if you are having to buy a socket, which I did, then go 28mm 6 point"

Agreed, but I would still buy the 1 1/8" because there is more of a chance to use it on other things. As gsbrockman shows both sockets are recommended.

 

[Cummins2014]

" between 28mm ,and 1 1/8" , yes .022 . Less of a chance with 1 1/8" then using 29mm, but IMO if you are having to buy a socket, which I did, then go 28mm 6 point"

Agreed, but I would still buy the 1 1/8" because there is more of a chance to use it on other things. As gsbrockman shows both sockets are recommended.

No argument there, but I have an 1 1/8 12 point, which I won't use on that filter housing, and I needed a 6 point, then why not 28mm . We are talking eight bucks here