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Got my truck back late this afternoon. The tech got it to regenerate, got all the codes cleared and said it is good to go. The problem it seems is that the wrong program, (TSB) was being put in and it wouldn't take. The people at Dodge kept telling him it was right and it had to take. He finally talked with someone else up there and they said the Cab and Chassis had a different TSB than the pickup. (Really, 350 vs 305 hp) When he put the correct one in, everything cleared up, the truck went into regen with no problems and the cat/dpf are fine. Looks like the majority of the problem was a programing problem. Hopefully this is the end of this and I can go back to running like I did for the first 50k on this truck. Time will tell.



That's great news, EB!



Same-sex marriage legal in your state,... ?



Don't let that service tech get away! :)



I'm bettin that everyone with problems should hold off on hacking things off and modifyin', till all the service departments get up to speed on these things.



I think these are gonna be terrific trucks when they're fully tamed!
 
I had the reflash completed on my truck yesterday (Thursday). Today Friday I drove 300 miles with no load. I do have a pyrometer and boost gauge. If I didn,t have the pyro. I would not know when the regen cycle takes place. The one thing I am concerned about is the 1200 degrees I am showing while in regen. What would it be if I was towing my 35ft. 5th wheel trailer? Anyway, this is what I observed today while driving the 300 miles. The truck would go into regen after driving 65 miles. Regen would last approx. 10 minutes. While in regen the pyro temp. holds 1200 degrees unless I ease off the gas. Holding a steady throttle temp. stays at 1200 degrees. I would recommend a pyrometer for the 6. 7 liter engine. I have not pulled my trailer yet but, I am concerned about high pyro temp. When not in regen mode the pyro temp. run between 600 to 900 degrees. I would like to hear from people that have pulled their trailers to hear what temp the pyro is showing. I read where one guy was showing 1500 degrees while towing a toy hauler. This high of a temp has got to cause damage.
 
EB, PLEASE keep us posted on your truck. Good to know that they got it figured. I hope this works for you... but I sure want to hear how it's going.

Thanks in advance.
 
He finally talked with someone else up there and they said the Cab and Chassis had a different TSB than the pickup. (Really, 350 vs 305 hp) When he put the correct one in, everything cleared up, the truck went into regen with no problems and the cat/dpf are fine.



EB,



Some members who own C&C's would appreciate the number of the "correct" TSB, since you report it is a different one from the pick-up version [ which is TSB #18-033-07 REV. A" (dated June 12, 2007) ]



Maybe your tech can get it for you, if your service notes don't show it.



Thanks! ;)
 
I had the reflash completed on my truck yesterday (Thursday). Today Friday I drove 300 miles with no load. I do have a pyrometer and boost gauge. If I didn,t have the pyro. I would not know when the regen cycle takes place. The one thing I am concerned about is the 1200 degrees I am showing while in regen. What would it be if I was towing my 35ft. 5th wheel trailer? Anyway, this is what I observed today while driving the 300 miles. The truck would go into regen after driving 65 miles. Regen would last approx. 10 minutes. While in regen the pyro temp. holds 1200 degrees unless I ease off the gas. Holding a steady throttle temp. stays at 1200 degrees. I would recommend a pyrometer for the 6. 7 liter engine. I have not pulled my trailer yet but, I am concerned about high pyro temp. When not in regen mode the pyro temp. run between 600 to 900 degrees. I would like to hear from people that have pulled their trailers to hear what temp the pyro is showing. I read where one guy was showing 1500 degrees while towing a toy hauler. This high of a temp has got to cause damage.



Jim, you do not give us an important parameter,... what is your driving-speed? If you are driving at "highway speeds", I would be very surprised if active regen was required as-often, or for as-long, as you report. (You also need to positively verify WHICH flash you got. I assume you mean the "REV. A" re-flash. )



For comparison, my nearly empty 3500 dually, with the "Rev. A" flash, gave ZERO high-temp indications of "active regeneration", while driving 754 miles at varying, but mostly 55-75-ish speeds. This is as expected, because at these speeds and their associated exhaust temps, "passive" regeneration should suffice (as described by Cummins). Passive regen should not show increased readings on the gauge. It is accomplished continually, as a matter of course, when exhaust temps are adequate from normal running conditions (In Cummins' terms, the process is "transparent" to the driver. ).



The only regen-associated "heat rise" comes when "active" regen introduces raw fuel into the DOC, specifically TO CAUSE a temporary temp increase to required levels. This should only happen if normal temps while running are too low for regeneration, and a soot build-up (or some function of the sensors mentioned below) triggers active regen.



Although I might have missed a momentary occurence, the only way I was able to see temps in the 1200 deg. range, even briefly, was when I deliberately "pushed" the truck on an uphill run. (My EGT sensor is installed pre-turbo,... where is yours?)



It is possible that the 3 (fACTORY)exhaust gas temp sensors and the 3 oxygen sensors associated with the system have some influence on the initiation of active regen, aside from the pressure-differential switch which tells the ECM of soot build-up/obstruction.



So far I have not found a full explanation of their function.



But in any case, either your rig is showing unusual A-R frequency (for highway speeds) or mine is on its way to serious clogging. My case seems to better represent operation as intended/explained by Cummins.



FWIW, BBeck reported similar frequency/ high-temperatures during his first miles driven w/o the "Rev. A" flash. I do not know what his experience has been since he has gotten the re-flash. You might check his posts, or send him a PM.



If you have not done so, you might read my thread "Understanding regeneration".



Good luck,
 
Wofly,

I have the same conditions as Jim. With my pickup I have not had it reflashed, nor have I had any problems with the truck. Always started and have not had any indication that the DPF was near full, overhead reads "System OK". Received the truck on June 1, 2007, I have 747 miles on the truck so far.

I did install a pre-turbo pyro, drilled and tapped it's location. Boost gauge using boost bolt that was custom made for the heater grid and intake thickness, shank needed to be 1. 250" inches long. Fuel pressure gauge and isolator installed between filter and CP3 pump. I have installed a big line kit between the fliter and pump using 1/2 fuel line and #8 pushlock fittings. Factory fitting/Ducan's QD had an . 125" ID and the fuel line was 3/16 ID. Fuel pressure at idle 9 PSI, at cruising speed 70 MPH at 7 PSI, WOT it drops to 5. 5PSI. May need a Lift Pump installed??

My EGT readings driving the truck to work, whick takes about an hour, at 70 MPH on cruise, the EGT will vary from normal 800-850 to 1200. This is on level freeway no hills and empty. Every ten to eleven minutes my EGT will increase to 1200-1250 for about 2 to sometimes 3 minutes and then return to 800-850. There has been times as long as 15 minutes before my EGT increases to the upper level. Also, when the EGT increases at this speed, there is a sound that acompanies the increase in temperature EGT. It sounds like an air compressor (one that is installed under the hood) Don't know if anyone has ever heard of one installed on a OTC before. You can hear when it comes on line and offline to fill the tank for the brakes. That is the closes thing I can explain the sound too. It is coming from the location of the A/C compressor on my truck, I have looked in the Service Manual for these trucks and have not found any details relating the A/C pump to the Emissions.

Would this be concidered a normal condition? Should I have the ECM reflashed with REV. A? I to am worried about pulling my trailer if my EGT are that high empty.

Wolfy thanks for the Regen/ TSB posts, good to know.
 
I am wondering if while towing and your system is taxed with the tow and your temp reaches the high levels very often if the system would even call for a regen?
 
Yesterday when I had my dealer print out the June 12th. TSB I noticed one of the system fixes was a turbo burp. I have noticed that on my periodically.



CUMMINZ
 
I am wondering if while towing and your system is taxed with the tow and your temp reaches the high levels very often if the system would even call for a regen?



[I am posting a reply in the "Understanding Regeneration" thread, so as to steer discussion of this topic to a centralized location for those using the "search" feature in the future]
 
Wofly,

I have the same conditions as Jim. ... ... .

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..... Should I have the ECM reflashed with REV. A? I to am worried about pulling my trailer if my EGT are that high empty.

Wolfy thanks for the Regen/ TSB posts, good to know.



[I am posting a reply in the "Understanding Regeneration" thread, so as to steer discussion of this topic to a centralized location for those using the "search" feature in the future]
 
Got my truck back late this afternoon. The tech got it to regenerate, got all the codes cleared and said it is good to go. The problem it seems is that the wrong program, (TSB) was being put in and it wouldn't take. The people at Dodge kept telling him it was right and it had to take. He finally talked with someone else up there and they said the Cab and Chassis had a different TSB than the pickup. (Really, 350 vs 305 hp) When he put the correct one in, everything cleared up, the truck went into regen with no problems and the cat/dpf are fine. Looks like the majority of the problem was a programing problem. Hopefully this is the end of this and I can go back to running like I did for the first 50k on this truck. Time will tell.
Glad to hear its back on the road EB, please keep us informed on its progress as you have in the past. I would like to thank you at this time for all the info you have provided me (TDR) with being (it seems like) buyer #1 of the C&C and posting your experiences.



Its too bad the first flash didn't work so you would have the 350HP version, I was hoping it would work so I could have more HP under warranty.



Steve... ... .
 
Wolfy, I went to the 5 Star dealer and spoke directly to the diesel tech that would do the reflash. He was aware of Revision A and said that would be done to my truck. Took about 30 minutes to complete. He said I showed no codes. He said 1200 degrees would be normal for regen. The 300 miles I drove was from north Texas to east Texas which took me thru Dallas, Texas. My highway speed was between 60 & 70mph. Some stop and go in Dallas. Between 60 and 70 miles my truck would go into a regen for 10 to 15 minutes. The pyro temp would go to 1200 degrees during regen. The pyro sensor is located before the turbo. I drilled and tapped the exhaust manifold. I really can't tell any difference before the Rev. A and after. Before the Rev A my truck would regen every 70 miles. Pyro temp would go to 1200 degrees for approx. 10 minutes. I don't understand with the revision A completed on your truck and mine why are we seeing different temp. reading? My pyro gauge is also a Isspro
 
I'm still having a problem, but it is something different. I believe it has to do with the key and the anti theft on the truck. It will start, then die. If I can get it started and get the rpm up to 11-1200 and hold it there with the accelerator, which is dead, after about 15-20 seconds the rpm will jump up to 18-2000 rpm and the truck acts normal after that. I have had a problem with the key not letting the truck start once before and I believe this it the same thing. Anyone else had this problem and if so what did you do to correct it. I've had the "skim" code redone once before but it doesn't seem to be working right again. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
I took my truck up to Lithia in Billings last Monday and asked to have this flash applied. I left my truck and when I went back to pick it up I was informed that the truck already had the latest updates because it was manufactured at the Mexico facility. The manufacture date was 4-07. I bought the truck on June 1. The story they gave me was that it had the "AT" update so I was good to go. I did not have the TSB at the time so I had no idea what to tell the guy. Does anyone know if I got a load of BS.
 
I'm still having a problem, but it is something different. I believe it has to do with the key and the anti theft on the truck. It will start, then die. If I can get it started and get the rpm up to 11-1200 and hold it there with the accelerator, which is dead, after about 15-20 seconds the rpm will jump up to 18-2000 rpm and the truck acts normal after that. I have had a problem with the key not letting the truck start once before and I believe this it the same thing. Anyone else had this problem and if so what did you do to correct it. I've had the "skim" code redone once before but it doesn't seem to be working right again. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
As noted before your reflash problem, I had that same issue on my 04. 5 and had it towed to the nearest Dodge dealer where they determined it was the alarm and they bypassed it so I could get to the aftermarket alarm co. . It cost me $100. 00 even though it was under warranty due to aftermarket alarm, needless to say I purchased the 07 C&C with the factory alarm.



EB, is yours factory or aftermarket and has D/C bypassed it yet just to see if it is the alarm? There will be a cost to go with the bypass from Dodge but it will save a lot of, what ifs, or it could be that, issues. The aftermarket alarm co. should take care of the bill and if they cant resolve the issue at least your back on the road. If it is D/C alarm I would leave it in the bypassed mode only for the ignition lockout feature, at least your alarm would sound if broken into.
 
sounds like BS

I took my truck up to Lithia in Billings last Monday and asked to have this flash applied. I left my truck and when I went back to pick it up I was informed that the truck already had the latest updates because it was manufactured at the Mexico facility. The manufacture date was 4-07. I bought the truck on June 1. The story they gave me was that it had the "AT" update so I was good to go. I did not have the TSB at the time so I had no idea what to tell the guy. Does anyone know if I got a load of BS.



It sounds like BS to me

Mine was mfg in 4-07 as well and needed three updates in the reflash

one was for the trans and another was for the one on 6-12-07 I am not sure what the third was for



BTW 400 miles or so since the reflash and no issues

my real mpg is mid 14's - mid 15's empty



EB I have also had issues with the key I have had no start while cranking so I pulled the key and put it back in and it started

once it ran for a second and cut off that was the second restart after the reflash
 
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I don't have a aftermarket alarm on the truck. I had figured out a way to make it start and keep running and I also got a PM from another member who had another suggestion. I tried it and it seemed to work, but I had had the truck running about an hour and a half earlier so I don't know for sure that it has been corrected. It was suggested that the WCM (wireless control moldule) was locking up and how to make it unlock. I should know later this afternoon if that was the problem. After the truck has been shut off for 3 or 4 hours it has the starting problem. Like I said, should know later today.
 
I dont think the scim would cause your symtoms

mine is also all stock with no alarms

we just installed a 2005 wrangler 4. 0 into a 1980 CJ

we had to tape the key inside of the box for it to start and run

being taped to the outside was not close enough what it did was run for a second then cut off it would never run longer than that. we connected the DRB tool and found that the scim system was the cause so after we put the key inside the box it ran great. We also instlaled a Remote start into a Durango and it was hit and miss at times it would start for a second then cut off. they gave you a wire to wrap around the steering comumn or module.

what we ended up having to do was to purchase another key and program it with the DRB and install it inside of the box. it was not cut to fit in the steering column. was thinking of doing this with the ram. in the owners manual it reads that with 2 master keys others can be made. this would eliminate these no start conditions if they are scim related
 
The problem is not solved. After 5 hours I tried to start the truck again. It would start and then die. I can't get it to run now for longer than a second or two. It has to be something electronic. Nothing I've tried is working now. Guess it's back to the shop tomorrow.
 
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