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Wolfy, I went to the 5 Star dealer and spoke directly to the diesel tech that would do the reflash. He was aware of Revision A and said that would be done to my truck. Took about 30 minutes to complete.

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I don't understand with the revision A completed on your truck and mine why are we seeing different temp. reading? My pyro gauge is also a Isspro



Jim, I can't explain this puzzling difference.



We have to assume that the service people did what they say, ... and did it correctly.



If this is so,... you'd think that similar driving conditions would show similar regen occurrences,... unless there is some genuine equipment malfunction/defect.



Do you have any "modification" label, showing the REV. A "part number", as explained in one of my "NEW FLASH" threads?



It is supposed to be applied to the truck when such things are done. See the threads for label location(at aleast on my rig).



[My most recent post in the "Understanding... " thread offers some thought (near the end) about the AR showing up on the gauge. ]
 
Have you tried replacing the battery in the key?

George



If you were talking about my problem, no, I haven't, but I tried my spare key which has never been used and there is no difference. Don't really believe it would be the same in two keys. The truck is back in the shop now. Waiting to hear from them.
 
Wolfy, I'm more confused than ever which, is normal now days. I have under the hood located on the right hand side of radiator a rectangular label which states modification label. On this label and hand written is 18-033-07 does not show Rev. Also, hand written is reprogrammed ECM. Dealer code is written and date job competed. Is there a difference between 18-033-07 and 18-033-07 Rev. A? Maybe, the tech just didn't finish writing out Rev. A.

Guess I'll have to go see the dealer again to get a clarification.



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Wolfy, I'm more confused than ever which, is normal now days. I have under the hood located on the right hand side of radiator a rectangular label which states modification label. On this label and hand written is 18-033-07 does not show Rev. Also, hand written is reprogrammed ECM. Dealer code is written and date job competed. Is there a difference between 18-033-07 and 18-033-07 Rev. A? Maybe, the tech just didn't finish writing out Rev. A.

Guess I'll have to go see the dealer again to get a clarification.



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Jim, I realize that we can't all be expected to read every post or thread on TDR. But I have myself begun two threads, clearly-enough titled, I believe, providing this info.



In at least one of them, I have provided a "part number" which is also associated with the proper revised flash, ,... this part number is ALSO on the modification label, and should definitely identify the one you have as being/not-being the one desired.



I have previously suggested to you that you look at those posts. it has been discussed also in many others' posts.



I'm sure you understand that neither can we be expected to retype every post every time another of the thousands of people who visit TDR shows up, or go look for it ourselves for hand-feeding.



It seems reasonable to expect the person with the question to do the looking, when a place to look has been pointed out.



With that in mind, I will leave the finding of that part number to you, if you are interested, rather than take the time myself, on top of all the other writing I have been doing at this site, to look-up and deliver it to you.



I apologize for the exasperated tone of this reply, but an important part of inter-net etiquette is an obligation to try to help yourself when others are taking the time to try to help you.



Several words to the wise should be sufficient.
 
18-033-07 is dated May 16, 2007.





18-033-07 REV. A supersedes 18-033-07







CUMMINZ



What is the difference between the first one and Revision A? How many revisions to this flash is there going to be in such a short time? I would like to get it done but it's a bit of a drive to the dealer so I don't want to be making weekly trips for revision after revision. The secrecy of these reflashes and what they cover is getting a little irritating. It sounds like some techs not what they are re-flashing and some dont. I can see right now that unless the re-flash stems from a NHTSA safety recall Dodge isn't going to peep a word to us the retail customers. It sounds like the techs even have a hard time getting straight answers.



For the Dodge engineers out there monitoring these message boards listen up... most of the people driving these trucks are sharper than the average bear and want to know how our trucks work and why.
 
Tk

Just to hilite:



Vehicle may fail emission inspection 6 reasons given



After idling EVIC message alert for one or more of the following: all deal with DPF errors



Operator may get MIL illumination



manaifold, eg, egr cooler sensors problems



intermittent rough idle



throttle tip-in stumble at rpm range 1300-2100



engine hesitation



turbo chuff like sound



Lots of other wording



CUMMINZ
 
Tk

Mine is marked with the TSB number without the REV. A as the authorization. Then another number above that as the actual PCM update done.



CUMMINZ
 
Cumminz, I went back to the Dodge dealer this morning and spoke with the tech that completed the reflash. He said my truck did have the 18-033-07 Rev. A even though he did not write the Rev. A at the end of 18-033-07. He showed me that his computer had the current update. He showed me the steps he used while programming the ECM. I told him I pulled my 5th wheel trailer a short distance and pyro temp went to 1300-1400 degrees. He is going to call his support people ( someone within Dodge organization) and give them the operating parameters while unloaded and parameters while pulling my trailer. He feels the 60-70 miles with no regen and 10 miles regen is normal but, he will address those issues also. I will see him again this Friday with answers, I hope.
 
"incomplete" modification labels

Wolfy, I'm more confused than ever which, is normal now days. I have under the hood located on the right hand side of radiator a rectangular label which states modification label. On this label and hand written is 18-033-07 does not show Rev. Also, hand written is reprogrammed ECM. Dealer code is written and date job competed. Is there a difference between 18-033-07 and 18-033-07 Rev. A? Maybe, the tech just didn't finish writing out Rev. A.

Guess I'll have to go see the dealer again to get a clarification.



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Jim,



In my last reply to you, I forgot to mention that "REV A" was omitted from my modification label as well.



I made a positive I. D. using the "part number", as described in my post(and new thread) of moments ago.



I seems that the techs are relying on that part number to communicate the essential distinction,... making "rev" notes unimportant when they or another tech are checking labels for previous modifications.
 
Wolfy, I don't have "part number" listed on my modification label. Seems as if it was important that Rev. A had to be on modification label. Now forget Rev. A and make sure you have a "part number" on the modification label. I think I"ll just drive my truck and forget about all these issues. I do have a good warranty and a good dealership to work with.
 
Wolfy, I don't have "part number" listed on my modification label. Seems as if it was important that Rev. A had to be on modification label. Now forget Rev. A and make sure you have a "part number" on the modification label. I think I"ll just drive my truck and forget about all these issues. I do have a good warranty and a good dealership to work with.



Jim, I understand your frustration.



The silver-lining, though, is that from all of us hashing this out, SOME valid info does seem to be floating to the top.



Here is the bottom line as it appears to me (today!) ;)



1. What is important is that the "18-033-07 REV. A" be performed on the intended trucks.



2. If the service tech is conscientous enough to write "REV. A", or the corresponding "part number" on the modification label, ... and if the procedure so-designated was correctly done, ... hopefully all will be well, and the driver can have at least some confidence in the care his rig has received. (In other words,... don't "forget REV. A",... look for it, OR the part number, ... either of which should mean the same thing. If neither is present, ... but the tech actually DID make the proper modification,... then he has neglected one of his instructions, which is to apply a correctly filled-out label. The result is the confusion we are now experiencing.



3. If the tech neglects to include either indication that it was indeed the "revised" flash that was done, the owner is left to wonder, hope, trust in someone's word that the correct work was done.



IMO, Dodge service departments should tighten-up their practice to see that intended info IS CONVEYED by "labels" intended to communicate such info.



With the current situation, where some of our labels have one type of "Rev. " info, some have another, some have none, ... and perhaps some techs even neglect to put on any label at all, ... customers are not being well-served.



I suggest we all SPEAK TO our service department managers about the need for attention to this practice. (From THEIR perspective, it may not be so important, because they may be able to verify such things by "reading" recorded info in the ECM. I don't know much about this. )



But from the viewpoint of the customer, some validation that needed work was actually done correctly is important for peace of mind as well as vehicle function.



Hang in there. If you have some other reason to visit the dealer, perhaps he can do such a reading, and if satisfied that the work has been done, then he can add the info to the label, so there will be no question in the future.
 
I had a interesting conversation with my Diesel tech when I went in for maintenance. I asked about the new flash for the 6. 7 and here are the questions & answers.



1) Have you reflashed any 6. 7's? Yes, I have reflashed all of the 6. 7 trucks on our lots that have not been sold and when customers bring them in and labeled them with the proper label.



2) Were any of them C&C's? No, it has not been required as of yet, and I'm not aware of any issues with them as pertaining to the DPF & flash.



3) What was the procedure and did it take very long? The first thing I had to do was erase all of the files and then reflash with the new software, and it does not take that long. (He didn't say how long)



4) Why do you have to erase all files first? Well, we had an issue with the ECM, it would not except the reflash unless we fooled the computer because they were not reflashable.



5) Do you mean it has a flash prevention on the original ECM's to prevent aftermarket programers? Yes, I believe that is what it is for.



6) So are they now reflashable because of this issue? Yes!



There seems to be a silver lining on this recall, you now have the capability to download any future aftermarket programs. Any bets it will be to program around the DPF and remove it from the truck. My C&C is not effected by this recall and I can not reprogram it, even though I would leave it stock anyway.
 
rvtrkn,



In this thread there are two members who have apparantly had this flash on c&c models. KWAYNE and EB

Unless they had a similar flash with diff #..... this is very confusing, but I'll check again with my dealer on the necessity of this for the c&c models.
 
It was attempted on my truck and just blanked the computer. It wouldn't regen at all, screwed everything up. It took several days to get it back right. I was still having problems but it looks like it was a throttle control valve from the start. It was not leaving a code until it completely failed. I am waiting for this part to come in to get my truck back on the road. The first dealer attempted to put the TSB in, the second dealer took the time to ask some questions and get it right. Still didn't catch the real problem until it set a code. I guess that is the way it is on these rolling computers now. If it doesn't set a code, it is just guess work.
 
Make sure they dont erase the boot loader file

it's easy to do that is why the computers go 100% dead on a reflash

the boot loader can be reloaded onto the computer if this happens



it's been a good 500-600 miles for me now with no issues with the flash rev a

and I have not had any issues since day 1 with first program





I am a firm believer that the real issue is the fuel being used

and not the emission system.
 
I might be wrong but I think that programmers or chips are going to be slow in coming because the extra soot produced is going to tax the DPF.



CUMMINZ
 
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