Has anyone got the new re-flash

[KWAYNE]

So far so good... I have only put about 500 miles since re-flash, but the check engine light hasn’t come back on. I have also purposely left it idling while getting loaded-unloaded to see if it would plug back up. On the last tank I averaged 14 mpg which isn’t bad for a truck with a flat-bed on it city driving. I was only getting 13 since new, so I was very happy to get 14. My truck weighs 8900# empty & I have a true 12' flat-bed. Hope to put alot more miles on her next week, this week work has been a little slow. . Oo.

 

[CUMMINZ]

K Wayne

Have you found out TSB number yet?



CUMMINZ

 

[jcarey]

TSB number?



See this threads Wolfy started:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com...312-service-bulletin-new-flash-6-12-07-a.html

 

[CUMMINZ]

Wolfly's post as I read it refers to soot buildup and programming problems. Wayne's post is referring to milage. We still don't know the TSB of Wayne's upgrade.



CUMMINZ

 

[Wolfy]

Wolfly's post as I read it refers to soot buildup and programming problems. Wayne's post is referring to milage. We still don't know the TSB of Wayne's upgrade.



CUMMINZ

We have two very good clues:



1. [Forum: 6. 7L Engine and Transmissions (2007. 5+) 06-15-2007, 01:22 AM

Posted By KWAYNE

Has anyone had the new re-flash that came out this Tuesday(6-12-07) My truck is still in the shop & I was just curious if anyone has had the newest re-flash done yet & if it worked. Im waiting on a... ]



2. [Forum: 6. 7L Engine and Transmissions (2007. 5+) 06-16-2007, 01:55 PM

Posted By KWAYNE

I got the new up-date re-flash yesterday... I will keep yall posted as to how it does, but so far im really impressed.

My overhead console used to say I was getting 14mpg, which when you check it by... ]



KWAYNE writes on the 15th - "... came out this Tuesday(6-12-07)", then writes the next day on the 16th that he had "got the new up-date re-flash" the very same afternoon (15th) that he had first mentioned the 6-12 up-date.



I believe it is safe to assume he is speaking about the same flash in both writings



The TSB which " came out" June 12, and is so-dated, was "REV. A" as described in my posts.

 

[EB]

Wolfy, my truck will not accept that TSB, it will not clear the overhead code and check engine light. What now? New cat/dpf? As a side note, the first time it was tried, at the dealer where I bought it, the tech told me that it was not regenerating before the 45 min drive and after it was still not regenerating. He just said to take truck and drive it. It was not showing a cat full service required at that point. Shortly thereafter it was, now it won't clear. The second dealer worked on it all day yesterday with no luck, said to give them until 10:30 this morning and then call. Any suggestions? I'm out of work.

 

[marksp]

Wolfy, my truck will not accept that TSB, it will not clear the overhead code and check engine light. What now? New cat/dpf? As a side note, the first time it was tried, at the dealer where I bought it, the tech told me that it was not regenerating before the 45 min drive and after it was still not regenerating. He just said to take truck and drive it. It was not showing a cat full service required at that point. Shortly thereafter it was, now it won't clear. The second dealer worked on it all day yesterday with no luck, said to give them until 10:30 this morning and then call. Any suggestions? I'm out of work.

Seems to me that you shouldn't be spending any more cycles troubleshooting a brand new truck that has failed, Dodge should. Fix it, new truck or refund. it's that simple.

 

[RVTRKN]

Wolfy, my truck will not accept that TSB, it will not clear the overhead code and check engine light. What now? New cat/dpf? As a side note, the first time it was tried, at the dealer where I bought it, the tech told me that it was not regenerating before the 45 min drive and after it was still not regenerating. He just said to take truck and drive it. It was not showing a cat full service required at that point. Shortly thereafter it was, now it won't clear. The second dealer worked on it all day yesterday with no luck, said to give them until 10:30 this morning and then call. Any suggestions? I'm out of work.

Hi EB, just wondering if your problem comes from burning LSD, and it has just pluged for good. Have you mentioned this to the mech and if they are not aware I wouldn 't tell them. Just request the DPF to be changed if all fails.

My mech went to the training seminar and warned me not to burn LSD no mater what the circumstances where, that it would shorten the life of the DPF. He also said the DPF costs $8000. 00 and burning LSD would void warranty. I know you could not find ULSD in your area and think that it is D/C fault that they sold you a vehicle you could not buy the proper fuel for, however I would still keep it under your hat.

I know your warranty is over due to 50K+ on the ODM, but doesn't it fall under the Emissions warranty?

 

[Wolfy]

Wolfy, my truck will not accept that TSB, it will not clear the overhead code and check engine light. What now? New cat/dpf? As a side note, the first time it was tried, at the dealer where I bought it, the tech told me that it was not regenerating before the 45 min drive and after it was still not regenerating. He just said to take truck and drive it. It was not showing a cat full service required at that point. Shortly thereafter it was, now it won't clear. The second dealer worked on it all day yesterday with no luck, said to give them until 10:30 this morning and then call. Any suggestions? I'm out of work.

Hi EB,



I feel for your situation, and wish I could offer more help. I am not an expert by any means, just an owner trying to gain some knowledge about these things. Unfortunately the main difficulty seems to be getting access to information.



Here are some thoughts, though:



If the problem is really one of "accepting"the flash, ... and not one of the mechanical parts failing to do-as-directed by the newly-flashed computer, ... then It is not "your truck" that won't accept the re-flash. It is the COMPUTER on your truck. The tires are fine, the injectors are fine, the seats are fine, ... AND the DPF/DOC/Pressure-sensors, etc. , etc. , etc. , ... may all be fine. (If your desktop computer wont start, you don't look at the desk or the rollers on the desk legs, etc. )



A defective computer, like any other defective part can be replaced.



Determining where the problem is(and fixing it) is THE business of a service department. After trying several service departments, NONE OF THEM being able to remedy things under warranty, I believe you will have a serious reason to consider replacement of the unuseable/unservicable vehicle, and the manufacturer/dealer should be obligated to replace it, perhaps under a "Lemon Law".



Remember that I am not a lawyer,... but common sense should play at least SOME part in this . You bought a truck, with the reasonable expectation that it would perform as-advertised, . . and with the further reasonable expectation that if it did not, ... then the manufacturer's/seller's agents would be able to make effective repairs.



If they prove, by non-performance, that they are incapable of restoring your truck to normal, dependable function, it should be their obligation to replace it.



Putting a man out of work is serious business. ( ... and a violation of a contractual implication ... "We will sell you a truck THAT WORKS. ")



I would stress this point to the dealer, and request a "loaner" truck, suitable for your job needs, while they find a way to resolve the difficulties with yours.



It seems likely to me, after having read the TSB myself, that some service tech is glancing at it, ... saying to himself, "Oh yeah, been there, done these things before", and merrily proceeding to NOT DO IT RIGHT, as the very explicit instructions would have told him to do it, if he had read/followed them.



Sadly, there is a careless-or-inept person behind every bush, no matter what their job-description. ("president" for example)



These "modern" hi-tech combinations of mechanisms and electronics are not forgiving of such carelessness.



I suggest being FIRM,... and don't be afraid to become loud,... just see that what you say loudly is justified, reasonable, and accurate (no names, profanity, etc. , ... but let them know you expect and are determined to GET, satisfaction. ) [The Eastern cultures are correct in recognizing the impact of embarrassment,... their social and business codes make it a serious offense to embarrass anyone. This supports the notion that embarrassment is a powerful threat or tool, if its use becomes neccesary. Few things will motivate anyone more strongly than seeking to avoid it. (except, perhaps in our society, money . ]



If "loud" is not to your taste,... then calmly but in very clear words, at least make them aware that you are ANGRY,... not just inconvenienced.



Back to the symptoms; If the computer "won't clear" a warning light, for example, then there is either a real mechanical problem, or a bad sensor, or a defective electrical connection/electronic function somewhere in the path from the supposed "problem" location to the computer screen.



Dealing with this sort of thing is the reason service departments exist. It is very troubling, to say the least, when they won't/can't, in any case "don't" do their job!



I sincerely wish you a quick solution and acceptable outcome!

 

[EB]

Hi EB, just wondering if your problem comes from burning LSD, and it has just pluged for good. Have you mentioned this to the mech and if they are not aware I wouldn 't tell them. Just request the DPF to be changed if all fails.

My mech went to the training seminar and warned me not to burn LSD no mater what the circumstances where, that it would shorten the life of the DPF. He also said the DPF costs $8000. 00 and burning LSD would void warranty. I know you could not find ULSD in your area and think that it is D/C fault that they sold you a vehicle you could not buy the proper fuel for, however I would still keep it under your hat.

I know your warranty is over due to 50K+ on the ODM, but doesn't it fall under the Emissions warranty?

I haven't mentioned anything about the fuel, but they know that it really isn't available in this area. I believe he is way off on what the DPF costs, it is more like $2k which is still to much. It is still in the warranty, that goes for 100k. As much as I planned to keep the truck stock, I will get that thing off as soon as someone figures out a way to do it. I won't add any power, but I will get that thing off there.

 

[Wolfy]

Hi EB, just wondering if your problem comes from burning LSD, and it has just pluged for good. Have you mentioned this to the mech and if they are not aware I wouldn 't tell them. Just request the DPF to be changed if all fails.

My mech went to the training seminar and warned me not to burn LSD no mater what the circumstances where, that it would shorten the life of the DPF. He also said the DPF costs $8000. 00 and burning LSD would void warranty. I know you could not find ULSD in your area and think that it is D/C fault that they sold you a vehicle you could not buy the proper fuel for, however I would still keep it under your hat.

I know your warranty is over due to 50K+ on the ODM, but doesn't it fall under the Emissions warranty?

EB, in my response, I was unaware that the warranty mileage had been exceeded. This, of course, takes away some leverage. (maybe only huff,... don't puff!)



Beyond this, IF a person used expressly prohibited (or even advised-against) fuel, it would not be wise to state that fact on a world-wide public forum, ... and for anyone to restate it would not help things.



I, of course, have no personal knowledge of any such use.



Selling a vehicle to a public unable to purchase fuel for it,... is itself an interesting concept.



Might make an interesting law-school study exercise.

 

[BVANR]

i had my truck in the shop for the second time last week. they replaced the dpf and the other filter on the truck, along with a sensor. they also flashed it with a new rev A flash. that came out on June 13. the mechanic also told me that dodge has produced bad DPF's. cause not all trucks are having this problem. so i would think if you are having the problem it may not go away until those are replaced. and if your mehcanic is looking else where you might want to take your truck to another shop. knock on wood but the goat is doing well.

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This was from the other thread... . I thought that the bad DPF info might be something of interest for EB!

 

[TConnolly]

Attached is the Warranty on the Catalyst, as I read it the coverage has been reduced to 5/50?

 

[Wolfy]

I just visited my dealer and he said there is NO such TSB. I called my dealer from another city and he said the same thing. I waited around for 3 hours to give Dishman Dodge a chance to open. I called and spoke to Larry in service. He said there is no such TSB. :-{}



Go figure. It would be nice for you guys to give us the TSB number you had installed.

Hi Cumminz,



"Larry" was mistaken,... he has since been brought up to speed. (Obviously, your other contacts indicate that his ignorance was not exceptional at the time. )



Some other Dishman personnel were aware of the revised TSB the day(or the next) it was released/announced in these threads (June 12th/13th). I alerted them myself.



The re-flash was done on my truck BY Dishman AT Dishman 4 or 5 days before your post of the 18th.



I drove it away on the 14th.



I suggest speaking with Adam Macomber or Josh Ullrich when calling Dishman.



Tell them you are a TDR member.



They are well-aware of mention in these threads.



By now you have doubtlessly read the TSB #/info in these threads.



Best wishes,

 

[EB]

Attached is the Warranty on the Catalyst, as I read it the coverage has been reduced to 5/50?

Well that's just wonderful. The truck ran perfect for 50,400 miles then craps out and no warranty left on the cat/dpf. Four hundred miles over before the first problem and no warranty.

 

[ModifiedDiesel]

EB I would pitch a fit with the dealer and I bet Dodge will cover the DPF. After all there is definitely a history of a problem with the stock programming if they are issuing a bunch of TSBs trying to correct it.

 

[TKeeler]

EB I would pitch a fit with the dealer and I bet Dodge will cover the DPF. After all there is definitely a history of a problem with the stock programming if they are issuing a bunch of TSBs trying to correct it.

Doesn't Dodge have a regional representative and a toll free number for complaints? There has got to be some where higher you can go than your local warranty shop if things are not getting fixed in a timely manner. It's sounding like not all of these service/warranty operations are on the same page and that could be Dodge's fault in a lot of cases. With all the technology today there is no excuse for a service/warranty center to not have access to the most current and up to date information. I have been building $1,000,000 RV's for over 30 years and know that you better have answers or at least communicate that you are aware there is a problem and it's being worked on... providing little or no information at all (like it appears Dodge is doing) only allows the rumors to get started and we all know how rumors go.



I have just over 2600 miles on the 2007. 5 and so far none of the problems that are being posted here. Having built very complicated RV's I know how things can go wrong so I expect there to be some bugs in anything that is new. I bought the 98. 5 24valve and it was new and was pleasantly surprised that it only left me stranded one time and that was because of a bad crank position sensor. My son now has that truck and its still going strong at almost 150,000 miles.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Re-Gen

I have 3000 miles on mine now and I have seen NO indication that it has regenerated. Most of my miles have been pulling my 5er.



CUMMINZ

 

[Wolfy]

Wow! Food for conspiracy theorists!

Well that's just wonderful. The truck ran perfect for 50,400 miles then craps out and no warranty left on the cat/dpf. Four hundred miles over before the first problem and no warranty.

Picture this meeting between Brand-X corporate-thief CEO and poor on-the-spot engineer who wants to keep his job:



(Opening-and-only scene, ... Fat Cat with cigar seated behind lavish desk, ..... anything-but-confident pencil-behind-ear type standing at attention in front)



CEO - "John, you are in charge of programming these fancy ECM's, right?



J - "Yes, Sir. "



CEO - "And hardly anyone else understands these things, right?"



J - "Hardly anyone,... that's right, Sir. "



CEO - "And the same is true about the new pollution-control stuff, isn't that so? Nobody understands that either, right? "



J- "Almost no-one, Sir. "



CEO - "Good! Now here's what I want you to do. Program the thing to run for 50,000 and some few additional miles, ... vary it a little between units, ... and then have the thing go haywire, so that nothing will fix it until the whole-shebang is replaced. You can do that, right?"



J - "Well, uh,... yes, but... "



CEO - "You got a problem with that, John?"



J- "(Gulp. ) No SIR!"



CEO - "I thought not. Hey, I heard you have new twins. Been a while between raises, too, huh? Here,... have another crumb. Remember who your friends are, John. Gotta admit, sometimes those Chinese engineers sound pretty good! Yep, I'm hearin' that they're pretty sharp!"



( Fade to black, ..... I mean deep black, ... ... ... . "future" black)

 

[EB]

Got my truck back late this afternoon. The tech got it to regenerate, got all the codes cleared and said it is good to go. The problem it seems is that the wrong program, (TSB) was being put in and it wouldn't take. The people at Dodge kept telling him it was right and it had to take. He finally talked with someone else up there and they said the Cab and Chassis had a different TSB than the pickup. (Really, 350 vs 305 hp) When he put the correct one in, everything cleared up, the truck went into regen with no problems and the cat/dpf are fine. Looks like the majority of the problem was a programing problem. Hopefully this is the end of this and I can go back to running like I did for the first 50k on this truck. Time will tell.