Industrial Injection Phat Shaft 66 Turbo

[Luke Warmwater]

Brett, I wanted to know drive pressure, not boost pressure. I'll give you a ring later today to discuss configuration options. Thx

 

[BPINE]

I was looking at Parley's canyon for an altitude and it seems that it's up there quite a bit from SLC, I don't have an altitude of the Sisters in WY.



I think Blair has a good test bed with a 450 hp 12V using a 40.



Keep the data flowing when you get a chance.



Jim

Well the fist test did not go exactly like I wanted but here are the results.



The truck is a 97 auto ( 91% DTT with valve body mods as well ) PDR 370's and a PDR pump that flows about 330 cc's. With the 40 it ran 1500 degrees at 43 lbs.



Now for the Phat shaft 66 super, it seems to spool pretty good but not as fast as the PDR 40 which I expected. Once it starts to spool it does so very well. It runs right at 50lbs of boost at 1425 degrees. Now for the not so good news it has some pretty mean compressor surge at 18 to 23 lbs of boost and and at high boost if you move the throttle around it will surge as well.



I was warned in advance that they didn't have much data with this turbo on a 12 valve so these results hopefully will give them something to work with. So far I am very happy with the customer support and on time delivery of parts from Industrial injection, when they say something will be shipped on a certain date it was shipped and that is all you can ask for IMO.



I hope the here back from Shane today with the next version we will be trying.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Thanks for the update.

 

[pwerwagn]

Please keep in touch with TDR you may like the news that will be released

Like a TDR discount?? Right now it looks like my choice is gonna be either the SP66 or the PS66, price is gonna play an important factor.

--Jeff

 

[Luke Warmwater]

From what I understand the HT units have pretty tight exhaust housings. Industrial Injection even states on their website that they are using "kwikspool" housings. That's the main thing that makes me think twice about trying one. All the kwikspools I have seen or heard of, run hot. I want a non-waste gated B1 Steroid equivalent. Anyone make such a animal?

 

[BPINE]

As promised I got a call back today and talked about the issues I had. Brett wants me to do some more testing and make a few changes. He assured me they will do whatever it takes to make this thing work 100% correct on a 12 valve.

 

[justinp20012500]

As promised I got a call back today and talked about the issues I had. Brett wants me to do some more testing and make a few changes. He assured me they will do whatever it takes to make this thing work 100% correct on a 12 valve.

I ran into the exact same surge issue you spoke of.



Ask them if they can drop the wheel to a 65 mm.



What type of filter is the test truck running?



On the truck that I put a similliar turbo on the surge could not be cured by throttling through it, you just had to let off. The surge was even worse when towing.

 

[Fishin Guide]

Ask them if they can drop the wheel to a 65 mm.

Are you nuts? They would have to go through a renaming process of this turbo! Besides, it loses the ring of 66!



Just kidding, I do hope that these issues can be resolved. More choices are good for the diesel community.



Dave

 

[Cooker]

Now for the Phat shaft 66 super, it seems to spool pretty good but not as fast as the PDR 40 which I expected.

Thanks for the info, especially in regards to spoolup.

 

[JGK]

BPine,



This is exactly the kind of info I am looking for. I am planning to go compounds. But, being open to other possibilities, I spoke with Brady for 20 minutes or so at the Bully Dog event about the PS66 on a 12V. My gut feeling was they did not have quite the experience and data in this application as they do running it on the 24V trucks.



I am not convinced it will work as desired for me. Please keep us posted on your tests.



BTW: Brady did mention another version coming out soon with a slightly smaller compressor wheel, but as Fishin Guide said, the name just wouldn't sound as cool!



-Jay

 

[BPINE]

BPine,



This is exactly the kind of info I am looking for. I am planning to go compounds. But, being open to other possibilities, I spoke with Brady for 20 minutes or so at the Bully Dog event about the PS66 on a 12V. My gut feeling was they did not have quite the experience and data in this application as they do running it on the 24V trucks.



I am not convinced it will work as desired for me. Please keep us posted on your tests.



BTW: Brady did mention another version coming out soon with a slightly smaller compressor wheel, but as Fishin Guide said, the name just wouldn't sound as cool!



-Jay

I will keep you all updated don't you worry. Don't give up to soon though Brett doesn't seem like the guy that will that is for sure. It might be that in it's current form it won't be the greatest for a 12 valve street truck but I am willing to keep tinkering untill it is right.



Brett do you have a 5th wheel hitch in your truck? Looks like a vacation might be in order with a real size trailer for some testing. How far is the hill you were talking about from your shop?

 

[BradyWilliams]

re PHAT SHAFT 66

We last night installed the 64. 5mm turbo on Bretts Truck. We are doing testing and will let you know what transpires. No I do not have a 5th wheel trailer hitch. I only pull a very large boat that weights quite alot. The canyon that I have talked about is only 10 miles from our shop and is about 25-30 miles long. It is considered by most over the road truckers to be the hardest pull or one of the hardest pulls in the country. For us it's the ultimate test for how good the product performs. We have had good results with our testing. Our super 66 is still great power. Thanks

 

[pwerwagn]

I only pull a very large boat that weights quite alot

are we talkin like 10,000lbs or so???

 

[BPINE]

are we talkin like 10,000lbs or so???

Good question but there is one other factor as well. Some of these big RV's are very tall which adds allot of wind drag and that is what adds to the pulling resistance.



I am not questioning you testing Brett just adding something to it.



I'm pretty sure the 66 is advertised as a performance turbo not a trailer towing turbo but it is nice to know all the capabilities of it.

 

[BradyWilliams]

RE: Phat Shaft 66

The boat that we pull is 13,000 lbs loaded and the radar wing is as tall as my garage. It would be equivalent to a fairly large 5th wheel.

 

[Luke Warmwater]

There's only one thing I want to know lol... what were the drive pressures at say 45-50psi boost? Compressor wheel sizes are fun to throw around but how much air you can push through the turbine housing has a lot to do with how much fuel it will support at a given EGT. Kwikspool B1s as an example can push a lot of air but run hot because of tight exhaust housings and high drive pressures. I'd rather have a laggy turbo that flowed 1000cfm and ran cool than a tight turbo that flowed 1000cfm with plasma EGTs. So... the question remains, what are drive pressures on those 500hp+ test trucks at max boost?

 

[Tomeygun]

The boat that we pull is 13,000 lbs loaded and the radar wing is as tall as my garage. It would be equivalent to a fairly large 5th wheel.

Brett,



Sorry to run off subject, But I could not help but notice some of the correction factors on your Dyno runs on your website



one of them LOWER ONE HERE I think it says 1. 20 correctino factor



Maybe it would be better to do a TST at 0/0 run, and then a TST at high-hp setting run - Then that would show the difference and how good the phat66 works



PS - did you ever dyno that 582hp truck with smaller tires? Cause those 36's have GOT TO BE killing hp

 

[BradyWilliams]

re PHAT SHAFT 66

We have dyo ran 3 times now on 3 different dynos. The 04. 5 with 6 speed that we showed horse power before and on our web site ran 568hp at Bullydogs Mustang dyno. We did that on level 9 and used a Phat Shaft 66 super. We also ran a 99 dodge truck with a Phat Shaft super 66, TST Power Max 3, our Stage 3 injectors and a Fass fuel system. That truck ran 575hp. The back pressure or drive pressure that was asked for was tested on 3 different trucks back before we released the super 66 turbo. The results varied a small amount due to different amount of fueling. The results were 38-39 psi. I hope this helps. We are trying something new. We are building a turbo with a 71mm wheel to see the performance level. We will let you know the result. PS It barely fits!

 

[Diesel Freak]

That is definately a 1. 2 CF.



Get that truck on a Sea Level Dyno with a 1. 00 CF.

 

[Tomeygun]

That is definately a 1. 2 CF.



Get that truck on a Sea Level Dyno with a 1. 00 CF.

Again, not that thats a bad number - Heck thats still 450hp with just TST and big turbo (and the tires even hurt hp)



Probably a very cool egt I would guess



but I agree - Just so no to CF's