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New Era 435s vs DDP4s.... RESULTS!!!

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So there has been quite a bit of discussion over which injector is bigger and better. But nobody that I have seen had real life results. So I bought both sets of injectors and am here to tell you. Your welcome... :p



At idle, 435s would haze steady, wouldnt ever seen to clear up. DDP4s would haze for a minute and then its clear. Hard to tell if the trucks running when I cant see the smoke out the stacks! The DDP4s would also cool down quicker than with the 435s.



At cruising speeds, 70mph. 435s ran about 775 to 800 on the pyro, DDP4s ran about 650 to 700 on the pyro.



At WOT, the DDP4s spool faster and the temps dont build as fast. In fact they seem to level off at about 1500. The 435s would keep going. 0-120 would get me too 1500 on the DDP4s. The level of smoke from the DDP4s is quite a bit less too. It smoked a bit until the turbo lit, but after that, it ran pretty clean. The 435s would leave a pretty good haze. Boost went from 48psi with the 435s to 51psi with teh DDP4s.



Mileage, usually got around 13 to 14 with the 435s. Havent filled up yet with the DDP4s yet, but should be soon.



Dyno, I did 518 on #2 with the 435s and will find out on the DDP4s in March. But the seat of the pants dyno noticed a big difference. Even the girlfriend noticed it too.



All the results are at 1300 ft elevation at below zero temps. Its been dang cold around here. Also I took out the . 022 DVs for the testing too. With the DVs and 435s I was running 56 psi and smoked a ton, all the time, whether you were trying to or not. I will put them back in as soon as I get some good mileage numbers. Also will have some good dyno numbers with them in and out too.



So far, I am very impressed with the performance and quality of the DDP4s. Seems to be a great product and money well spent. The 435s are a great budget injector that got me some good power and some smokey fun for the pesky rice and tailgators, but if your looking for that last bit of power or wanting less smoke and better mileage, the DDP4s are the winner here.
 
I won't dime anyone out but here is something that was sent to me... ... .



I know everyone compares the ddp4's to the dragon flows, but i have run both of them and they are not the same injector, the dragons "get big quick" as you once said



There not a small injector though!



Jim
 
oh they're definately not anywhere near dragon flows! I'm actually looking for some dragon flows to do some nitrous testing with once the new clutch goes in! :D



only person I know who's run both is Dave in Kentucky... and he said those dragons are "dirty on the bottom!!!" :-laf
 
Forrest Nearing said:
oh they're definately not anywhere near dragon flows! I'm actually looking for some dragon flows to do some nitrous testing with once the new clutch goes in! :D



only person I know who's run both is Dave in Kentucky... and he said those dragons are "dirty on the bottom!!!" :-laf



Forrest, I have a set! Didn't I tell you about the N2O run with them... ... ... just mean, time for a second stage.



Jim
 
woodsrat said:
The timing that is being run in that truck has alot to do with his findings.



Same timing with both injectors right Ben? So what does the timing have to do with his findings?
 
woodsrat said:
The timing that is being run in that truck has alot to do with his findings.



Spray angle and timing kind of go hand in hand. Too much timing and your out of the bowl. Perhaps the DDP4 have a tighter pattern, which allows them to run more timing and keep it in the bowl. I don't know if chuck starts with new blank tips or just tips. If he uses just tips their are limits how much you can change the pattern given a certain size of hole.
 
zstroken said:
Spray angle and timing kind of go hand in hand. Too much timing and your out of the bowl. Perhaps the DDP4 have a tighter pattern, which allows them to run more timing and keep it in the bowl. I don't know if chuck starts with new blank tips or just tips. If he uses just tips their are limits how much you can change the pattern given a certain size of hole.



When I spoke with the New Era they are reworking used OEM Dodge tips.

Since they are using EDM they could adjust the angle some but I don't know if they are.



DDP's starts with new OEM tips. I do not know if they are OEM to a Dodge application and since they are using an EH I don't believe they are changing the spray angles. DDP also states they maintain the proper spray angles. I don't know whether this means a stock spray angle or not but one would assume that.
 
zstroken said:
DDP EDMS the tips for the proper spray angle and then Extrude Hones to help the flow.





This is taken directly from DDP's site.



"Electro Discharge Machining is a process where an electrically charged wire burns a hole through metal. Bosch uses EDM to create nozzles, but on a very advanced machine that controls the angle and speed of the wire insertion. The angle of insertion is very important to keep correct or the spay angle will be changed, resulting in possible engine damage. When Bosch changes the speed of insertion they can achieve a cone shaped hole that will improve atomization. EDM’s used in the aftermarket are usually decommissioned medical instruments that do not have the ability to control either angle or speed precisely enough to create a quality product. Electro Discharge Machining that is done by Bosch is followed by Abrasive Flow Machining, to clean up any imperfections, remove burn residual and balance injector flow. Aftermarket EDMing does not use AFM to balance flow, or clean up any imperfections. DDP Injectors use Hone Technology. We start with an EDM’d nozzle with the correct spray angle, and finish Hone them to remove imperfections, polish the inside of the nozzle, and radius the inside of the holes where the fuel flows. This leads to better atomization, which provides less smoke and heat, and more power and mileage. Adding volume without helping atomization only adds heat and smoke, which means less useable power. "



I'm reading this is they start with EDM Bosch nozzles. Not they EDM the nozzles in house or have them EDM'd by another aftermarket vendor.
 
I'm reading this is they start with EDM Bosch nozzles. Not they EDM the nozzles in house or have them EDM'd by another aftermarket vendor



You are correct, the answer is on that paragraph you just have to read into it a little. The buy stock Bosch nozzles and hone them, if there is an EDM work done, Bosch does it.



Jim
 
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