New Recall V06

[16longhorn]

I'm ok with that. Let's hope this is how FCA proceeds.

NHTSA knows about the new part. It is noted in this document. If the welding is only a stop gap measure until they can build enough on the new style ones, then it may be OK. That's two trips to the dealer however. https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2019/RCLRPT-19V021-8787.PDF

 

[Dan_69GTX]

Nothing specific...I'm not an expert in interpreting the wording...Steering system would include the drag link. I would be safe in saying ,civilly could mean trouble.

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. What document did you get the statement from? Where can I find this document?

Thanks!

 

[TCDiesel]

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2005-08-15/pdf/05-14259.pdf#page=48

393.209 and the amended 393.209 (d) Its worded as separate systems (wheel joints) Steering wheel...Steering systems

 

[Shiner]

Thanks! Where is this from?

Sounds similar to the state inspection manual for the state of VA.

Update:
Just checked and nothing is stated regarding welding a suspension or steering component.[/QUOT

 

[TCDiesel]

Its the wording that may be the trouble (Steering wheel) Steering Systems...Lawyers love these types of arguments in court rooms.

If this is 2000-2008 My lawyers would be handling this For My Dealership, These/This type of recalls are always ugly for all parties involved.

Section 393.209 is amended to include the term ball-and-socket joints. Some steering system designs include ball-and-socket joints instead of universal joints. While the basic function of the two types of joints is similar, only universal joints are covered by § 393.209(d). Defects or unsafe conditions of ball-and-socket joints are currently implicitly covered under § 396.3(a)(1). The agency believes that such important items should be explicitly covered whenever possible.

(d) Steering system. Universal joints and ball-and-socket joints shall not be
worn, faulty or repaired by welding.

 

[sag2]

Do you guys really think that FCA didn't have lawyers approval before they issued the recall? And don't you think NHTSA has an attorney or two on staff that approved it?
There is nothing wrong with welding the nuts. If anything happens as a result of the recall FCA will have to take care of it.

 

[TCDiesel]

Do you guys really think that FCA didn't have lawyers approval before they issued the recall? And don't you think NHTSA has an attorney or two on staff that approved it?
There is nothing wrong with welding the nuts. If anything happens as a result of the recall FCA will have to take care of it.

Sag2 and the Ecodiesel Diesel was COC? and the 1 year Prior (Notice) to the Bracket FCA received form the Maker of the frames... Lawyers are the problem equal to the Recall.

Sag2, I'm sure the welding works, but IMO its not correctly repaired.

 

[RChandler]

Sorry but welding on steering components is not an option for me plus with all the sensitive electronics even more so , to each his own

 

[lewkarg]

I called today to schedule the recall repair. The service representative told me they don't have the fix yet from Chrysler and to call back later. Sounds fishy since this recall has been out for a couple months. On the FCA/MOPAR website, under my vehicle with the VIN, they say parts are available. Do I need to call back and representative surf? I did check under the vehicle and both nuts are still tight.

Numaone

 

[AH64ID]

I called today to schedule the recall repair. The service representative told me they don't have the fix yet from Chrysler and to call back later. Sounds fishy since this recall has been out for a couple months. On the FCA/MOPAR website, under my vehicle with the VIN, they say parts are available. Do I need to call back and representative surf? I did check under the vehicle and both nuts are still tight.

Numaone

It hasn't even been out a month yet, in terms of a fix and notifications.

IIRC it was announced in January, but nothing really went out until mid-March

 

[lewkarg]

AH64ID,

Ok, just looking at the MOPAR website with my vehicle dashboard and the NHTSA, it looks like the recall was issued January 25. I'm in no hurry, just sounded strange that the website and the letter told me to schedule an appointment and they had parts in, but being told they don't have the fix yet.

 

[Dan_69GTX]

It is possible what you are confusing is the time/date when an issue is (for lack of better words) defined, and the time/date when the issue is able to be resolved.

 

[RChandler]

I filed complaint to the recall center , will report on the results . Dealer says …. If there is any other warranty repair needed the recall has to be fixed first .
Hmmmm

 

[Cummins2014]

Hmmm. My 16 didn’t. Oh well

Just double checked, and is said parts available.

 

[RChandler]

Battle I'm fighting is that if it torques to spec they weld it , rather than replace

 

[RPM_58]

My First Post - Wish it was regarding a more positive subject...

My 2018 Diesel 2500 (2,600 miles) is on the recall list and I did receive a recall notice. I inspected the drag link jam nut and found it loose, able to be turned by finger. I’ve read the updated (March) “Dealer Service Instructions”.

It’s clear that the issue is the thread interface between the adjuster sleeve and the outer drag link arm. I thought that this would first present with a gradual offset of the steering wheel indicating the adjuster sleeve was turning and backing out the drag link arms; BUT, I’m now confidant that the first symptom of failure is a sudden change in steering position as the outer drag link pulls out of the adjuster sleeve.

This would likely occur at a time when the steering system is under load (ie you would be in a LEFT turn, or straightening out from a right turn) drag link/adjuster in tension).
If the drag link and adjuster sleeve separate completely – No Steering, and your truck would immediately straighten out of the turn, with no driver control.

I measured the major diameter of the exposed outer drag link external threads, and took a rubbing of the threads (paper and pencil) to determine the threads-per-inch.
I wanted to identify the SAE or Metric specification for these threads.

• Major Diameter = 1.049 inches (26.6446 mm)
• Threads-Per-Inch = 17 Exactly

This looks like a Metric Thread:

• M27-1.5
• Major Diameter Range (mm): 26.968 to 26.732
• My Major Diameter is too SMALL _____ 26.6446 (From Above)

Out of Specification by 0.087mm (0.0034")​

I will be bringing my truck into the dealership (believe me I don’t want to) but will request a copy of the data sheet showing the results of the thread measurements.

I’m a Quality Engineer with over 30 years’ experience in Tank and Missile production. This issue is not something to mess around with.

If you do experience a sudden change in steering wheel position, STOP IMMEDIATELY. You're about to loose all steering.

Additional Note: If the Adjusting Sleeve threads are within specification (assuming that only the outer drag link arm threads are undersize), then the worst case (out of specification) minimum major diameter ( OD ) of the outer drag link threads (allowed by the “Dealer Service Instructions”) would be 25.976 mm or 1.023 inches.

That's an easy measurement to make on the exposed threads.

Just remember, if the jamb nut is loose, the undersized drag link threads inside the adjuster sleeve will likely be wearing as they aren't locked in place, and could be more undersized that the exposed un-engaged threads.

Quite the Freeking Puzzle - Very Disappointing - I have appointment with the dealer this morning.

 

[RChandler]

How I think this is going to play out for me is will have dealer weld it ..clear the recall , then I will buy the Synergy Drag link and install it myself , will send in reimbursement
which I'm sure will go nowhere . Sad deal

 

[AMink]

I just received my V06 recall notice late last week for my '18 dually. It's going in for other service next week and I'll ask about this welding thing. Seems like that is a cheapy way to fix this issue.

Update as I was typing...I went and checked the nut. It was several turns loose. I was able to tighten it to the blue line by hand and could still go past that line a little more without a wrench. Is this what is causing the feathering on my front tires? Likelyhood of getting two new tires if that's the case? The truck has only 13K and down to the wear bars on the outer edges. Yes, I've rotated them but the wear came on pretty quickly. If they replace the part do they do an alignment? Will they align it to the specs 1/64-1/32 I've seen on here rather than whatever the FCA specs are?

 

[RChandler]

The drag link does not adjust the toe in , just the centering of the steering wheel after alignment . The fact it tightens past the marks in concerning as maybe the threads
are damaged . I'm replacing this thing as soon as I can as I think there is more going on than we know

 

[SeventyGTX]

I just got back from taking my 16 in for the U53 and U74 recalls. I asked if they were going to weld the nuts on the steering linkage, she said that only the 17's and 18's get welded. Basically a bandaid until they come up with a permanent fix. Made no sense to me since I believe the steering linkage is the same on 16's and 17's, but I could be wrong.