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California gets a bad wrap due to the bassackward legislators found in Sacramento, SF Bay Area, and LA. Remember, CA is 800 miles long..... And aside from those heavily populated areas, the rest of the state is surprisingly conservative and fighting against the simple minded liberal movement.

Actually in saying that, its been discussed lately that there's a smaller movement in CA compared to the Trump movement throughout the nation. Yes, CA is predominately Democrat, and even sits as a super-majority.....but there's a new group of democrats who are "finally" realizing that their left wing party is working directly against the constituents who vote them in by creating policies and laws which are detrimental to those very people's prosperity. Those new found dem's are being called "mod dems" for moderate democrats. They dont want to be recognized as a conservative republican but they dont like the strangling liberal views within their democratic party.

Of those policies is the "go green" movement. Its being realized that environmentalism is crushing CA's ability to prosper and turning the job market into a mockery. Believe it or not approximately 46% of CA workers are low wage workers. Thats CRAZY!!!!!.....and is a statement within itself.

I truly believe that CA is going to make a turn for the positive within the next decade otherwise its going to self implode.
 
I truly believe that CA is going to make a turn for the positive within the next decade otherwise its going to self implode.

Or if the immigrants have their way, secede from the US and go back to Mexico, and don't think thats a preposterous idea.
 
Or if the immigrants have their way, secede from the US and go back to Mexico, and don't think thats a preposterous idea.

The whole discussion about CA succeeding is more than ridiculous.....and never going to work. Not only could CA not function without federal funds, but there's no manufacturing left in this state as most companies have already fled do to overly strict environmental regulations and overly high business taxes. So.....what do they think would keep the state afloat? Hopes and dreams as we all sit around singing kumbaya???
 
And aside from those heavily populated areas, the rest of the state is surprisingly conservative and fighting against the simple minded liberal movement.
The same can be said about wash state. King and snohomish counties (seattle) typically go 70 plu % dem, while the rest votes repub. If only we coule have an electoral college at the state level.
 
The whole discussion about CA succeeding is more than ridiculous.....and never going to work. Not only could CA not function without federal funds, but there's no manufacturing left in this state as most companies have already fled do to overly strict environmental regulations and overly high business taxes. So.....what do they think would keep the state afloat? Hopes and dreams as we all sit around singing kumbaya???
The immigrants wouldn't care about Federal funds because they want the State to go back to Mexico and be poor as Mexico and not care in the least. Although there are some that would miss the freebees, but they would celebrate Cinco de Mayo none the less. Just saying........
 
You'll get no argument from me about how the masses of illegals would obviously be for succession.....even though it would quickly mean all their liberal give away programs would dry up as the tax paying middle class would have no choice to move, therefore taking all the tax money which the state runs on with them. No moolah no workie.....

Really all the poking fun at the "possibility" of CA succession.....there's no way the Federal Government will allow this because there was this thing we went through 150 years ago called the Civil War which kinda prevents stupid things like this from happening. :-laf
 
I don't know your State and will not try to argue this point, BUT I'll bet that if you look into the history of Montana gun laws, they have diluted the laws in more subtle ways, but is still chipping away at them.


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Your right they did take the law OFF the books that said that you cant shoot a man in a striped suit on Sundays!!! I GUESS NOW THEY ARE FAIR GAME ANY DAY OF THE WEEK :D

I don't say this with pride but this state as far as gun control has none, other than being able to hit your intended target is considered gun control. We've had full on M60 machine guns with 1000's of rounds of ammo shooting it off the deck of the house. Penny said that THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!!! #@$%! she's still finding brass in her flower beds :-laf so now we have full auto AR's

On the other hand we have a no B S law about being one of the, if not the highest records of Gun Violence in the country, so if a person has a CCW permit and has a problem with keeping it in his pants THERE ARE LOTS OF FOLKS BOTH MALE AND FEMALE THAT ARE PRETTY QUICK ON THE DRAW.

We believe in less deadly but very effective ways of settling disputes, there's nobody going to call the Sherriff because a couple of guys OR gals OR combination there of has a hankering to solve one or more of those disputes IN THE PARKING LOT!! WWF WAS STARTED HERE!! & SEVERAL BOUTS ARE HAPPENING NIGHTLY!!

In Montana, firearms are not viewed as a tool to kill and create violence, but instead, a means to protect oneself, hunt, and uphold the American constitution. We were among the top 5 for the safest places to live in the country, probably because there's no shortage of folks willing to try out the latest Zombie killing ammo if needed.


http://gun.laws.com/state-gun-laws/montana-gun-laws


BUD THIS AINT NO SISSY LA LA STATE LIKE COMMIEFORNIA WHERE PEOPLE STRIKE OTHERS WITH A PURSE ;)
 
Here in wash, with you standing right there, it is a felony if you let him hold and shoot your gun without a background check.

Does Washington have CCW's? If so, will that work for a continuous background check in this instance? In Arizona, a CCW will allow you purchase a firearm with no background check, the CCW is your background check.

Nick
 
Here in wash, with you standing right there, it is a felony if you let him hold and shoot your gun without a background check.

Ridiculous.

I hope our fellow TDR members in other states are paying attention. Slowly but surely, the anti-gun virus is spreading. Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Arizona etc are slowly turning from red to a shade of purple in the larger cities........ Larger cities = larger voting populous
 
Does Washington have CCW's? If so, will that work for a continuous background check in this instance? In Arizona, a CCW will allow you purchase a firearm with no background check, the CCW is your background check.

Nick

That's a pretty good idea, but that would never be accepted in Ca. CCW is pretty easy to obtain in Ca if you are in a CCW friendly county.
 
That's a pretty good idea, but that would never be accepted in Ca. CCW is pretty easy to obtain in Ca if you are in a CCW friendly county.
We call that gun registration. Those of us who believe in the 2nd amendment oppose that. BTW, the background check in wash includes rifles.
 
We call that gun registration. Those of us who believe in the 2nd amendment oppose that. BTW, the background check in wash includes rifles.

You misunderstood what I meant. I think that if a person has a CCW, that person shouldn't have to background check each time they purchase a firearm. If i'm legally licensed/trained to carry, why do I have to do additional background checks each time I buy another gun?
 
I did misunderstand you. I believe that if you have a ccw, you can forgo the background check, but I dont know that for sure.

It sounds like Az has that nice feature. Ca does not; must forgo 10 day wait period for every firearm purchase. LEO, politician's, illegals and criminals are exempt from any waiting period. I feel safer already.
 
HH

Rather than cut and paste your reasonable rebuttal, I'll continue with my disorder thinking response. At one time I believe that these points would be valid, In todays world where WE AS GUN owners (not all of us) have become so irresponsible with GUN Ownership that it cant be the way IT WAS. I think that you as I were brought up in a home where guns were really no big deal, for as long as I can remember I was around guns & reloading. I never once had to wait to long to go shooting my Mother & Father were AVID shooters & Hunters. But ONE STEADFAST RULE OR LAW WAS THAT " I DONT TOUCH THE GUNS" if I had been caught fiddling around with them in ANYWAY when my parents weren't around THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF SHOOTING AND HUNTING UNTIL I WAS ON MY OWN, NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!

Now that I'm a Grandfather my Son and Daughter are raising their family in the same way as I was and they were with the above Steadfast rule. My Grandson is 5 years old theres not many a weekend go by that we don't take the 22 that he got for Christmas and pop off a few hundred rounds. Still I put my home defense weapons away when ANYONE comes for a visit. I would NEVER FORGIVE Myself if someone not as responsible as I would accidently shoot themselves with ONE OF MY GUNS.


Lending a gun to someone for what purpose? to shoot? well I have to say that YES I do let people shoot my guns, but I'm there with them when they do pull the trigger. I WOULD FOR NO REASON lend a gun TO ANYONE (family included) to take someplace without me with them. I cant fathom the idea of some of the guys that I call Pard's even asking such a thing. If they need to borrow a gun and I'm not with them then I suggest they save their milk money and buy one like the rest of the normal folks do. Hell I take people out hunting and wont lend them my Shooter.

The reason I cant stand the NRA is that back when I was a member I went to the LA Sports Arena to a Giant NRA rally. This was back when Commiefornia was first getting on the bandwagon about AR's. I was approached by one of the NRA head honchos and asked to voice my opinion on AR ownership. I declined several times he finally PXXXed me off enough that I did say that I don't think that ANY civilian needs to own a AR. Have you ever been booed by a couple thousand people? I was asked why? I have taken people of all ages shooting and the ones that had NEVER shot a gun of any kind had a Great day shooting my single shot 22 rifle all day long. Someplace along the line they wanted to shoot my AR. I noticed a funny thing about people for some reason they get their hands on an AR they become RAMBO and need to see how much & how fast they can put lead down range. I don't think that we really do need AR's as civilians. I do see more of a need for them now that I need to protect livestock from predators even so ONE shot with a Bolt gun the others aren't going to come back for quite a spell. I have several of them and a few more in the build process for family members and I would GLADLY give them away to the Fed's if they would pay me for what they are worth I could do just fine with my Bolt guns. I REALLY DON'T THINK that they are a very good hunting weapon anyway even my Wilson 308 AR they were designed for one thing and maybe that's a reason that I don't really care for them. We had a TDR member that use to think that he was Mr. AR all dressed up in Tack Gear shooting from all kinds of Hollywood shooting positions., people like that Disturb me to no end. If they really need to PLAY RAMBO JOIN UP & go stand a post on the front line and see how its done.


I'm hoping that nobody sees this as me being PO. like I said im fine with my Bolt Guns and Handguns, Black powder, even took a Cow Elk this year with a Bow.


BIG

PS Just read the post above about theft of a gun, How often do you check your gun locker? if I see that ones be stolen YOU DAMN STRAIGHT I'D BE TELLING THE LEO's just to cover my XXX

Big, I just disagree on the point of restricting our rights as gun owners. Who is the federal government to dictate if we are responsible enough to own guns? If we commit crimes, then yes, we should, and most convicted felons do, have a restriction on our rights, but only as a danger to society. Banning ARs won't fix the problem, despite my dissagreeance with you on their sporting purposes. Responsibility is a taught/learned trait, as you stated. I dissagree with your argument that we have become relaxed in our ownership of them. Some people, perhaps, but as for me and mine, we have strict rules regarding firearm use, storage, and ownership. We try not to let those rules grow laxed, as it can cause a serious accident, and we know this. The power a firearm possesses is nothing to be taken lightly. You don't take the greenhorn and put him on the 2yr old colt with 30 saddlings.....

While shooting is very much a part of my life, and always has been, so has the responsibility to wield a potentially deadly tool, which is all they are in reality. A hammer can be a weapon, same as a car, knife, or baseball bat. I seriously doubt you go anywhere without a small pocketknife. It's utilitarian purposes are diverse and wide, but it has the potential to cut off a finger, same as cutting a steak or castrating calves. Using it responsibly is part of ownership. For me, the same applies to a firearm. I use them to protect livestock and crops, as well as remove pests and recreation. I do carry a sidearm for personal protection, as well. But it's a tool. Much more effective and easier to carry than a baseball bat, walking staff, or 24" broadsword..... all three I know how to use proficiently, and can inflict serious bodily injury and death in a quick manner. Only one of those has a restriction on it. And the practical uses for a sword are minimal. But again, who is the government to restrict my ownership or use of it? My point here, is that at what point do we, as citizens and individual people of this country, stop the government from protecting ourselves? At what point are we going to be responsible for our own actions? If you don't want to own a firearm, you have that right. It's simple. But what about the vast majority of us that do want to own them? And practice that right? As for my analogy of car ownership to gun ownership, if it's been stolen from you, how are you responsible for it? If it was in the garage with the keys put away, perhaps even locked, as most my firearms are, then I don't feel you should be responsible for it's misuse. If a gun has been stolen from my safe, the door cut or broken off, it has forcibly been taken from me, and I would not have allowed it, otherwise. And someone shooting another person is the same as someone running someone over on the street with your car. Neither that car or that firearm had any control over themselves. They are inanimate objects, the same as rocks sitting in a field, without a free will or desire. They can do nothing without being acted upon by a person. The first person ever murdered was killed by his brother's rejection of God and own jealousy. There isn't a mention of a club or rock or bare hands.... only the desire to commit evil.

As for my point with letting someone borrow your car, most people would, and have, allowed trusted individuals borrow their cars. But what if you sell that car to someone down the road? Or perhaps in another town. What if they then purchase that car, and proceed to run over someone in a parking lot? How is that your fault? The person who now owns the car is the individual who committed the act, not you!! You had no idea that person was going to do that. If you had even suspected it, you wouldn't have sold them the car!! The same principle should be held to firearms, in my opinion. The only people I know that would knowingly purchase a firearm to kill a person (here in the U.S.) are either dead or locked up in a prison cell. And anyone who commits an act with a weapon, firearm or frying pan, is the individual who should be held responsible for their decision and physical actions to use that item in their hand that they controlled at the time of the crime.... not someone who owned it 6 months ago. At what point do we quit pointing at the stick and blaming it for poking us in the eye?

And yes, it's a hot topic, we are often defensive of. What other way can we, as people under a ruling authority, keep our freedom without weapons to defend ourselves, should that ruling authority become tyrannical? Our forefathers knew this, as they had experienced it firsthand under a tyrannical monarchy from King George. They set about to try and build a country where free men could live and raise their families, giving us a Bill of Rights they perceived as God-given rights. One of those rights is the right to defend our families. Should our Republic fail, how would you take care of your family? I know you have considerable (and respectable) ability to take care of yourself and grow your own food, but what is to prevent someone from taking that from you? What would you use? The regulations to register guns is only a gate-way to their confiscation. Ask anyone from Australia.... or Great Britain.... or Germany.....

Too many people fail to see how we are tied together in this great country. While it is our right to disagree, I think we should think ahead, remembering our past, and build upon our heritage. A gun culture? Perhaps. We have the laws to keep the peace already in place. Enforcement is important, but most important is to enforce self-responsibility. We are responsible for our own actions.
 
I agree with Big on at least 90% of what he said. I I'll explain where I differ. My old man didn't hunt here in RI. He left his model 94 at my uncles' house in Fort Fairfield. It turns out my uncle killed more deer with it than he did. My father was a good man but my uncle was more reliable. Should my father not have allowed his brother to use his rifle? Big, do you realize that by Wa. law you commit a felony every time you let your grandson fire that 22? Actually, you are also breaking that law if you fire it and it belongs to your child. That's the complaint with the Wa. law. It all comes down to the fact that you can't legislate common sense. I'd have no problem loaning a firearm to someone I trust ( I could cont them on one hand with several fingers left over) for a legitimate purpose. An example would be they won the Maine moose lottery and would like to borrow my 300 Win Mag because their 25-06 won't cut it. I don't expect that person to spend $1500-2500 for a one time chance on a lottery tag. I'm also going to take the responsibility for the actions of that person I trust. I understand you can't have it both ways.
 
I've never had an issue with loaning or borrowing firearms to try out in the past. I don't associate with, nor befriend looser type people that I can't trust. The rule of thumb I use is, If I can't trust them with my family, I don't give them the time of day. Pretty simple.

However, in today's society, we gun owners have all been neutered to some degree. Some states have been cut deeper than others, but nonetheless, we are neutered, and if you haven't yet, you will be. The anti gun movement spreading like herpes and no one is imune; not Texas, not Arizona, not Montanna, not anyone.

You can set back, toot your horn, play it cool if you'd like, but if we can't find someway to band together and fight this national issue together, we'll see our gun rights erode one county at a time until the entire state is rotten.
 
I haven't read ALL of the posts but some of HH's good lord HH the length alone tells me that you could be running for some political office!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA JUST PULLING YOUR SHORT HAIRS PARD.

being in a family of Outfitters I've had the privilege if you call it that from seeing a wide variety of people from all over the country and how they differ in gun handling. When my BIL took it over he was able to be a little more slect about who he let sling a leg over a horse & go hunting. By the time I retired & have taken it over Im fortunate that most all of the people who hunt with us are ones that return year after year. There is a good side to this my bookings are made 2 to 3 years in advance and when we go hunting im 99% sure that im not going to get shot by some of the most totally inexperienced people I've witnessed with gun ownership & handling. As far as my grandson shooting being illegal THATS ONE OF THE REASONS I LOVE WHERE I LIVE. we have the property and I make the rules because its MY RANGE!! I recently went to a public range it was one of the most hair-raising things ive experienced since Vietnam, people are NUTS!! IMO

Im doing this post on a cell phone so I will get back to the office computer and have more clarity

Thanks.

BIG
 
Dont mistake "state" laws for "federal" laws..... CA is notorious for imposing outlandish gun restriction laws, but they're NOT federal laws therefore NOT a felony.
 
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