oil filter info

[Too Tall]

Hey Mr Forest, thank you much

 

[JohnWelch]

Not the recommended OCI from the factory. These are utility fleet vehicles, and we go by oil analysis, not factory spec's to set a base line for different vehicle types and applications. We have some 1500 gas engine trucks on 15,000 OCI. On our 9 liter engines we change at 500 hrs.Just some information I thought might be useful in the filter / oil debates. Personally I use Delo 15-40 and wix/ napa filters, change at 10,000 OCI, and have good oil analysis with my 2012 6.7 liter, but being full deletes I don't have as much soot to worry about. A lot depends on the use of the vehicle and the operator. With vehicle condition we may adjust the OCI as needed. With a 100 vehicle fleet at our shop it is the only way to work the maintenance.

 

[Too Tall]

Not the recommended OCI from the factory. These are utility fleet vehicles, and we go by oil analysis, not factory spec's to set a base line for different vehicle types and applications. We have some 1500 gas engine trucks on 15,000 OCI. On our 9 liter engines we change at 500 hrs.Just some information I thought might be useful in the filter / oil debates. Personally I use Delo 15-40 and wix/ napa filters, change at 10,000 OCI, and have good oil analysis with my 2012 6.7 liter, but being full deletes I don't have as much soot to worry about. A lot depends on the use of the vehicle and the operator. With vehicle condition we may adjust the OCI as needed. With a 100 vehicle fleet at our shop it is the only way to work the maintenance.

John, after the delete, did your oil clean up to a golden color like the older cummins (my 95 with no EGR) would run. Or is it still black and if it is, why do you think it is? Is it residual carbon still contaminating the oil or is this from blow by and will never be completely illuminated. I know the rings are closer to the top of the cylinder now, don't know if that cause more blow by. The stock truck doesn't burn any oil at all hat I can see. Can you physically see cleaner oil now after the delete?

 

[JohnWelch]

Before I deleted, I was getting less than 5,000 miles before the oil change light came on, first change after deletes the light came on around 7800, at that point it was still black, but to the eye it didn't seem as dark, or sooty as before. I assume this was from residual soot in the engine. I did an oil analysis and bumped to 10,000, it is still very dark, but delo is a dark colored oil to start with, and I am going double what I did before deletes, I am about to change the third time after the deletes and am going to the 2018 RAM spec's of 15,000 OCI. We will see what happens.

 

[Too Tall]

Before I deleted, I was getting less than 5,000 miles before the oil change light came on, first change after deletes the light came on around 7800, at that point it was still black, but to the eye it didn't seem as dark, or sooty as before. I assume this was from residual soot in the engine. I did an oil analysis and bumped to 10,000, it is still very dark, but delo is a dark colored oil to start with, and I am going double what I did before deletes, I am about to change the third time after the deletes and am going to the 2018 RAM spec's of 15,000 OCI. We will see what happens.

That's cool, thanks for info.

 

[Newsa]

Still wondering what the FCA recommended OCI is????? (Just curious about the 2012)

 

[JohnWelch]

Factory OCI on the 2012 is 7500 miles, if you can get that far. Fuel dilution always caused my change oil light to come on much earlier. That shouldn't be a problem with the DEF trucks 2013 on up. Oil analysis on a couple of changes to set a base line, then extended drain intervals after that with a follow up analysis every third, or forth oil change. It's not that I can't afford the oil, but I don't like wasting 12 quarts of good oil either. If your worried about the filter lasting that long, spin a new one on mid way thru the change, very little oil in the filter, shouldn't even have to add any at the change. Just my 2 cents and what works for me, everybody needs to do what they are comfortable with, and what they think is right for their truck and pocketbook. Thanks for listening..

 

[Newsa]

Factory OCI on the 2012 is 7500 miles, if you can get that far. Fuel dilution always caused my change oil light to come on much earlier. That shouldn't be a problem with the DEF trucks 2013 on up. Oil analysis on a couple of changes to set a base line, then extended drain intervals after that with a follow up analysis every third, or forth oil change. It's not that I can't afford the oil, but I don't like wasting 12 quarts of good oil either. If your worried about the filter lasting that long, spin a new one on mid way thru the change, very little oil in the filter, shouldn't even have to add any at the change. Just my 2 cents and what works for me, everybody needs to do what they are comfortable with, and what they think is right for their truck and pocketbook. Thanks for listening..

The oil change minder on the EVIC must have been more robust than the 2013+.

The 2013+ is really just based on miles.

Thx for the info

 

[JohnWelch]

You are very welcome Newsa

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

I know I'm posting in the wrong forum, but I do have some useful info.

First thing is that we haven't had a real pressure sensor since 2002. Only a pressure switch triggers the "Check Gauges" light after 30 seconds of no pressure.

Second is that oil will still turn black (even with deletes) due to the last couple spec changes... The ONLY way to see "clean looking" oil is to delete, install bypass system, and pour in some CI-4, or CI-4+ oil... Keep in mind that the oil may be 12 years old!! LF16035 filters are my choice for my '92 and my '09. Both trucks have a Frantz bypass filter, and both of them have black oil! when it's time to change.

I'm not as worried as I was 10 years ago after reading this thread: https://www.turbodieselregister.com...-frantz-toilet-paper-bypass-oil-filter.98863/

 

[Newsa]

Bypass filters will remove soot. Amsoil, Frantz and other brands will handle soot. Even if you let it get to the point of plugged, it will not hurt your engine in any way. The best thing you can do for your Cummins is add a bypass filter system.
I currently have 262,000 miles on my 2004. It has never been in for any kind of engine work. I do my own service work. Which includes a Frantz Filter. My Blackstone reports have been to keep doing what your are doing. I mainly change filters and add oil to make up what was in the filter. Last oil change was 60,000 miles ago. My oil looks great and is clean. Using Valvoline 15-40.
Clean Oil is more important than the brand.

https://www.overdriveonline.com/the-bypass-filter-advantage/

 

[Cummins12V98]

"Factory OCI on the 2012 is 7500 miles, if you can get that far."

I had ZERO issues running the full 7,500 mile change intervals on my 11 HO DRW. Blackstone reports said I could go longer after warranty was up and always had less than .05% dilution.

 

[Newsa]

You probably don't need to worry about it with your current truck. But Blackstone doesn't always get fuel dilution %'s correct.

Anyone with a 2010, 2011, & 2012 should keep an eye on their kinematic viscosity @100°C.

If it drops below 14 cSt, you definitely have fuel dilution. Other conditions that drop kinematic Viscosity would not likely happen in 5k-7k miles.

That's why I use oil analyzers. They have a better test in my opinion for fuel dilution.

 

[Wayne M.]

Does anyone truly understand the algorithm of the oil change/ oil life monitor? The inputs, logic and parameters?
Not looking for opinion, just the facts please.

 

[jhenderson]

From what I see it’s tied directly to the odometer. Usually within 100 or so miles.

 

[kthaxton]

Sorry, an opinion here....it seems to me it is odometer specific as henderson said, it certainly doesn't take time (6 months) into consideration.

 

[Cummins12V98]

It takes into consideration short trips along with long trips. I never have my oil change reminder come on until 15k no matter the time. Same for my 11 HO as it was 7,500 miles.

 

[Newsa]

It apparently doesn't factor in things like number of regens, idle hours, run/drive hours,, months since reset, average oil/engine temps, and number of cold starts. My minder said I had 75-76% life left on oil after 3616 miles. But when doing a UOA, I discovered I had sump oil diluted with a quart of fuel (8+%) and it was registered as critical by the lab doing the analysis that it be changed completely.

A bit of speculation in my post, but that is my experience over the past several months

 

[jhenderson]

It takes into consideration short trips along with long trips. I never have my oil change reminder come on until 15k no matter the time. Same for my 11 HO as it was 7,500 miles.

A little proof of your assertion about trip length is in order.

 

[Cummins12V98]

A little proof of your assertion about trip length is in order.

Just some common sense. My 11 HO DRW after it had around 15k on it a message came up to continue driving. At that time I had been towing 29k combined for a few hours. I dropped a gear and hammered it, the message went away. NEVER before or after that did I have any type of message come up. Traded truck at 65k with over 1/2 towing and less than .05% fuel dilution on several reports along with full 7,500 mile oil changes.

Current 15 has had ZERO messages thru 60k on clock and towing about 1/2 the miles at 33-35k.

I have no idea when it regen's and really don't care. It does the job it's asked to do and oil reports at 15k show the engine and oil are doing great along with less than .05% furl dillution.