Serviced the ‘18 today. A few notes.

[Wiredawg]

FYI,

I showed a friend how to service his new to him 2017 Ram 2500, so I did the through the fender lining, had prefilled about an inch from the top, and without any caps, bags, etc, screwed er on. Easy peasie. Anyway to get er dun is gud as long as it gits dun.

Cheers, Ron

 

[JR]

Still not seeing how to reach in and down and then lift and screw into place. "Pre fill" IMHO is at least one quart otherwise why do it.

Easy, just don't prefill.

 

[RammerJam]

Maybe some day, someone will invent an anti-drain back valve for oil fiters because.... Well, it's so unimportant.

 

[Bug Out]

Honest question. How do you pre fill with one quart push filter thru opening then remove cap THEN with one hand lift the filter and screw it on? All without spilling.

I don't tighten the cap on tight. I fill the filter 3/4 and , knock on wood, have not had any spills yet.....

 

[DHayden]

A basic and easy oil change along with a front drive shaft greasing.

Not to start a debate, but the “through the fender wheel well” method works quick and easy for me. The Geno’s oil filter cap makes this pretty easy and clean. The only downside is I prefer to change the oil hot, therefore the filter is hot and full of oil. So I spill a few drops that make it out to the rim of the filter before the cap is spun on. Even then, it’s a pretty minor deal.

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The Geno’s oil funnel screws right into the valve cover and makes pouring oil in and leaving a jug draining again super easy.

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For those who want to know, I use used lawn mower oil as my preferred fill. I figure if it worked in a cheap push mower, it ought to work good enough in an $80k truck.

Seriously, I use Rotella T6. (Let the oil wars begin.... )

I’ve use Fumoto drain valves for many many years. I really like them and never had an issue. It makes draining the oil easy and mess free.

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I did notice I used a full 12 quarts/3 gallons on this change. In the past (on a 12v) I always seemed to use about 11 quarts. Does that seem normal to y’all? I still have some jugs laying around from the last oil change and that seems to agree. One had an extra quart. Hmmmm. I was parked behind the garage which isn’t perfectly level, but I can’t see it off kilter enough to cause the dipstick to read a quart off. That’d be a pretty big lean.

I then greased the front drive shaft. It was easy to find the zerk as it was marked by a spot of orange paint. I assume from the factory as I didn’t do this. It’s still relatively easy to spot.

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Anyway, I’d rate this job as a 1 Barley Pop Job. Easy peasy, nice and easy.

On another channel, the have the beard rating. This job would rate as 2 day scruff, not even a decent outline of a beard.

Great minds think alike. I use the same oil, same valve. Its nice to see that I'm not the only newer truck that the bottom is rusted out. I cant believe the amount of rust under my 15. My 01 is almost spotless.

 

[dieselshadow]

Great minds think alike. I use the same oil, same valve. Its nice to see that I'm not the only newer truck that the bottom is rusted out. I cant believe the amount of rust under my 15. My 01 is almost spotless.

I bought mine from a dealer literally on a Floridian eastern coast beach. It had sat there for a year before I bought it. I got a good deal on it because of that. If I had a lift..... I’d make some of that rust disappear quicker than new funnels appear at Snoking’s place.

 

[gsbrockman]

SLOW POKE!!!
My average speed is about 63.5 MPH!

So.....where’s your scale tickets showing ANYTHING you’ve towed that has remotely netted anything close to over 26,000 or over? Oooooooohhhhhh....that’s right. You don’t have ANY. I guess if I were schlepping around pulling those tiny RV’s all day...I, too could average 63.5 mph

 

[AH64ID]

Everyone who prefills only fills the outer holes correct?

Maybe some day, someone will invent an anti-drain back valve for oil fiters because.... Well, it's so unimportant.

It is unimportant on many engines, others... not so much.

 

[Ltngdrvr]

So.....where’s your scale tickets showing ANYTHING you’ve towed that has remotely netted anything close to over 26,000 or over? Oooooooohhhhhh....that’s right. You don’t have ANY. I guess if I were schlepping around pulling those tiny RV’s all day...I, too could average 63.5 mph

Excuses, excuses...

 

[JR]

Everyone who prefills only fills the outer holes correct?

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Easy, just don't prefill.

I think you are onto something here

 

[JackFate]

I put the the Fumoto valve on my 18 when I did the first oil change a couple of months ago. I've used them on all of my diesels over the years. But I do not like how it's mounted on the Ram. I will be replacing it with a low profile valve:
https://www.genosgarage.com/product/ez-dp-18mmpla-dg/drain-valves

What tool did you use to grease that?

I put that valve with hose on 4 years ago. I use a 2-1/2 gal def container to collect in never spill a drop . I will say about 6-8 oz of oil doesn’t drain out completely. I still like though it’s low profile.
I just did trans service and planed on ( and bought) a drain plug kit from genos. I didn’t install it. Too many leakage problems in reviews. Also I don’t like things hanging down. Watched a YouTube video that saved a messy operation. Didn’t spill a drop & now don’t really see the need for it .

 

[Cummins12V98]

"The hardest part of the whole thing, and this isn’t really hard, is walking the full filter up with one hand. You can tilt it about quite a ways, the oil won’t spill out. Once up, screw it on."

I can see doing this with 1/2 full but adding one quart as "I" prefer would most likely result in oil loss.

kthaxton, NOT calling anyone a "LIAR". Next fill add one quart to your filter and let me know if you spilled any oil.

Interesting that the guy with the most miles and oil changes prefers to change it from the top.

 

[Cummins12V98]

FYI,

I showed a friend how to service his new to him 2017 Ram 2500, so I did the through the fender lining, had prefilled about an inch from the top, and without any caps, bags, etc, screwed er on. Easy peasie. Anyway to get er dun is gud as long as it gits dun.

Cheers, Ron

But, But you have madd skills!!!

 

[RammerJam]

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It is unimportant on many engines, others... not so much.

On engines where the filter is mounted correctly (hanging down) an anti-drain back valve isn't necessary at all. There's nowhere for the oil to go. Even they need to be pre-filled IMHO.

But I've heard too many death rattles at shops where they refuse to pre-fill the filters. And I'm not talking OHC engines that use a chain-tensioner (they're terrible), I'm talking pushrod engines that sound like a rod is gonna come through the side of the block for about 2 seconds after start up when the filter isn't pre-filled.

As usual, YMMV

 

[Jebruns]

Okay, why the prefill when Mopar/Cummins has a method to avoid having to do this? I prefill the filters on our diesel pusher oil changes (filter takes a gallon) because that's what the manual says to do. Not the case with the 6.7 though. So just wondering why folks bother? Not trying to start anything. Just curious if folks don't trust the factory recommended method or ??

 

[RammerJam]

Okay, why the prefill when Mopar/Cummins has a method to avoid having to do this?<snip>

Tell us more.....

 

[Wiredawg]

Okay, why the prefill when Mopar/Cummins has a method to avoid having to do this? I prefill the filters on our diesel pusher oil changes (filter takes a gallon) because that's what the manual says to do. Not the case with the 6.7 though. So just wondering why folks bother? Not trying to start anything. Just curious if folks don't trust the factory recommended method or ??

Just my answer:
1. I prefill every oil filter that it's possible to do. My BIL is a master mechanic and electrician who maintains and rebuilds mostly Cummins, but others as well. He never prefills and never has a problem, even on the 50K miles his daughter has had my former 03 Ram Cummins. In fact, I went over to his house as he was changing the oil on it, installed the dry filter, and started her up. I probably had stink eye look on my face, but remained silent as he went through the drill.

I know this supports your position more than mine, but I still choose to do it my way.

2. Upon examination of the side of a Fleetguard oil filter, it clearly shows prefilling in the step by step illustrations.

So, you will almost NEVER see me tell anyone on the TDR that my way is better than their way is for them. I can see the entire TDR, Ram and Cummins say you don't have to prefill, and I still will.

So, as long as you folks are happy installing your oil filters dry, then so am I.

 

[JR]

Lots of vehicles it isn't even possible to prefill. Oil filters that are mounted horizontal. Oil filters that are mounted upside down. And many that are a cartridge style drop in element with a drain at the bottom, and the oil completely drains everytime the engine is shut down. Even on the ISB if you pull the filter after it's been sitting much of it has siphoned back. The oil pump is pretty substantially over driven and puts out some serious flow even at idle. I haven't seen info on the 6.7 oil pumps but on the B series 5.9 they are rated at 20gpm at the engines governed speed. It's just not critical.

 

[DHayden]

I pre fill mine almost full and dont have a problem installing with the filter plug in reverse order.

 

[lpennock]

Prefilling does no harm unless you get contamination in the clean side. On a warm to hot oil change it isn't really required as there will be enough remaining oil film to protect the parts for the 2 seconds required to come up to full pressure. On a cold engine it is probably a good idea as the oil film has had time to drain off internal part.