Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) The Search for Max H.P. 24 Valve

[RacinDuallie]

Looking at the head in this way brings surprises to me !! If Greg, Scott, Hoss, Haisley, and the Schieds' can make the power they have now with the heads we have avalible to us now... .....


Just think if we have a head that has the potentials that Greg says in terms of flow- (although I'm STILL waiting to hear the elusive Port Volume #'s) then my prediction is there is gonna be more than a couple of rigs @ or very near to the 1000 h. p. level. Oo. Oo. !!


And if Greg and Dr. P have no ill feelings towards me -I would LOVE to be right there too!!! :{
Although I'm still pressing forward with my stocker stuff- I like to test new stuff out too

 

[TxDieselKid]

Crying? I dont' think so. It's long been known that you can't hog them out that much. There is a page on Pier's site (CLICK HERE) which shows a pic very near that one at the top that shows why you can't do that. You are paying for experience when you pay for the job. You or I or who ever might not mess it up, but I promise that Joe Blow will, and he will have to buy an entire head.

Just think if we have a head that has the potentials that Greg says in terms of flow- (although I'm STILL waiting to hear the elusive Port Volume #'s) then my prediction is there is gonna be more than a couple of rigs @ or very near to the 1000 h. p. level

You do know that 1,000hp was made years ago already right? And no I'm not kidding.



There are billet heads out there in the world of aftermarket Cummins parts, just have to know where to look.



Great pics Greg.

 

[RacinDuallie]

You do know that 1,000hp was made years ago already right? And no I'm not kidding.

There are billet heads out there in the world of aftermarket Cummins parts, just have to know where to look.

Great pics Greg.

TxDieselKid- I know 1000 has been reached for a while now- *I'm* talking about *more * 1000h. p. trucks *ON THE STREET* everyday!! Not 1 or 2 trucks at an event- that's been trailered to the event!! I should have detailed that statement!!!
And I don't think the need for giggle juice will be nessesary--laf !!!)to reach 1000 and beyond!(for a driver. )With a better flowing head.

Heard a rumor that the Haisleys' are around 1500h. p. - but don't know if they're drivers(street) or not? And with what combo cylinder head these people using to GET to the 1000+ level?? 12V or the 24V?

BILLET HEADS !!!! o. k. that's a new one for me!!! your just gonna have to come out with that info with more specifics!!! WHO? WHERE?What type of design layout do these billet beauties come in? Come on ! OUT WITH IT!!
Are they solid billet or do they have coolant passages too?Race/Street?

You just slammed me with this little tidbit! And now you MUST tell!!!

 

[RacinDuallie]

Out With It!!!

I had heard rumors about a billet head being developed-24valve, but wasn't sure that the project progressed into a reality. Now that's a cylinder head that I would LOVE to get ahold of!!

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So if someone out there knows about this 'Billet 24-Valve Cylinder Head' PLEASE either post the info here or shoot a PM to me so the ball could start rolling... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . Oo. Oo. !!!!!!

Can you get it in bare form or is the valvetrain design different and is better to get complete head... ... ... ... ... ... ... .

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TxDieselKid- you really got me going crazy here with that statement there!!

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I know that Greg is workin' with people developing one but to hear that one is out there NOW- well... ... ... ... ... ..... you just made my knees buckle!!!!!!!!:-laf

With a cylinder head like that- - - - - - - - - - ahhhhhh! the possibilities!!

I GOTTA GET OUT OF THIS GARAGE MORE OFTEN!!!!:{

 

[TxDieselKid]

I can say that there is NO info on the internet about them. You will have to show the cash if you are really wanting something like that, and even then, they might not show you.



Remember, if you have the cash, anything is possible.

 

[RacinDuallie]

I can say that there is NO info on the internet about them. You will have to show the cash if you are really wanting something like that, and even then, they might not show you.

Remember, if you have the cash, anything is possible.

If we're talking 24 Valve Billet Head- then cash is avalible!!!!

Point me to the source! ! !

Ya can't take cash with you when your day is up- so enjoy it!

WHERE?

or do I have to call up various cylinder head companies?

 

[COMP461]

The head I am working on is a cast iron replacement head for a 24 valve / CR , its going to be a bolt on , but this head is in it’s infancy stage , the only thing flowing about it is money . If any one want a billet head , that’s easer , but a little pricy . I can have a 24 valve billet head out of aluminum in about 3 months , but they will cost around 12,000 to 15,000 . I already have the slabs of aluminum . their $500 apiece and that was a good deal. Any one really wants a head step up to the plate, its easier and cheaper to do to or three , then just one . Ill send you in the right direction ,but this guy will not deal with tire kickers I would guess the head would flow at least 400 to 450 cfm easy. And save about 125 lbs. of weight. With that flow you could make a 1000 hp with way less then 50 psi of boost.

 

[RacinDuallie]

How many guys on this list Greg- I mean how many people step up yet?- shoot some more specifics- What does one get ? If they were to *step-up*? If more people step up then is the price flexible?
PM me if you don't want to detail it here- ( I understand ya!)

 

[RacinDuallie]

Right now as an update on the port work going on: I am in the process of opening up the mouth of the intake ports- there is alot of meat here to lose- and it opens up the mouth that feeds the ports, helps cram more air into the port where it gets real small the velocity should pick up with the more air introduced..... Blending is key!! Will post pics as soon as I finish one... ... .

 

[RacinDuallie]

Greg- What time is convienent for you?

 

[COMP461]

a little port work , my fault for raggied edges , i should have let the portor , grind , and me stick to the phone . i run the flow bench , and got happy with the grinding

 

[RacinDuallie]

Well - That's a big mouth if I've ever seen one!:-laf :-laf :-laf !!!

 

[COMP461]

deeper in the port

 

[RacinDuallie]

Greg ya got me standing on my head to look at this port that's upside down!!!

 

[AKAMAC]

The biggest problem I see is flow equalization. Are you balancing the flow to each cylinder? Who wants 400 CFM in #2 when #6 is at 150 CFM. Or are you limited by valve flow? I work on lean-burn methane gas engine generators and pressurized flow is important. Just curious. Mike

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Greg ya got me standing on my head to look at this port that's upside down!!!

Its easier if you just flip the monitor 180* ... . :-laf

 

[RacinDuallie]

Its easier if you just flip the monitor 180* ... . :-laf

Dude - I tried that but the desk kept falling over:-laf :-laf

 

[RacinDuallie]

The biggest problem I see is flow equalization. Are you balancing the flow to each cylinder? Who wants 400 CFM in #2 when #6 is at 150 CFM. Or are you limited by valve flow? I work on lean-burn methane gas engine generators and pressurized flow is important. Just curious. Mike

Not only that but- when you HOG the port like that- I want to see what your gonna do for the *water port* as well as the two peep holes for ports at both ends of the head (1 & 6) !!!!

That my friends is all out race probe-ing... .

( I think Greg is messing around with us and a scrap head there, maybe some exploritory Hogging?)



Think if we could get a head with the port volume like THAT across the intake side of the head!!!! NOW THAT would be money in the BANK ! I'll take mine with the street cooling core pkg please sir!!! And yes that will be cash- Thank you.

 

[COMP461]

That was a junk head, and there is no water any where near the work, I don’t think the big mouth heals flow as much as it it lets access to the inside ports , my porter got a little wild ,and had not finished everything , but there is a lot of meat in that area

 

[RacinDuallie]

Greg THIS water port=