To those of you who think it's cool to smoke out cyclists...

[cyborg]

Boy Scout motto: Always be prepared.

Yes. You never know when you might come across someone that needs shooting.



Those bike paths/trails just might not go where I'm going. So I will use my legally entitled piece of the roadway.

And if you don't like it? :{





Maybe the real problem is that you have "too much truck" and you should scale back to something you can handle

 

[JStraw]

Talk about stereotypical behaviors. Idiot with a gun thinks he can take over the road. I’d love to have you try that. It would make my century to curtail your bike riding with a short stint in the pokey for CCW. If I only knew where you would be at a given time with that weapon I’d call it in and have them waiting for ya!



Have you even read SC’s title 56? More specifically 56-5-1810 or 56-5-1840 56-5-1560. you see as a bicyclist with all the same rights, impeding normal and reasonable traffic is applicable.



you seem to have the “granted all of the rights” committed to memory but forgot the rest of that sentence “and subject to all the duties applicable” or could you not comprehend that large of a sentence at one time?



I didn’t say I smoke them out, but I can guarantee you I will RETURN whatever courtesy or lack there of, I’m given. You want to ride around thinking big and imagining you can block traffic for miles without consequences, go ahead. Some day that same disregard will be returned.



Bass boat, what mental midget!

Great reply Todd. He may have even forgot that a good majority of us rednecks always carry weapons in our trucks. Usually for hunting purposes and sitting next to the fishing gear. :-laf

 

[RussW1911]

I think my point was missed by a couple people



What good is it going to do for our weapoms rights to come on a public forum and make baseless, ignorant threats of violence using a firearm! I am the first one that would back up a total stranger in a justified shooting, be it defending yourself, or a total stranger. Open carry does not give you the right to do anything but just that, open carry. Unless otherwise provoked or given good reason/cause to defend yourself or others.

Making statements like "And don't worry, if I shoot someone--there will be plenty of evidence for me to walk free. I promise" is just opening yourself up for a guilty verdict if something like that should happen, god forbid. You may get out of the criminal end of it, but, believe me the civil part will more than likely get you. Even if you are found innocent in both cases you are going to be spending THOUSANDS on your defense.



Not flaming anybody here, but this stuff you write now, as unlikely as it may seem could come back and bite you.

Like I said I hope nobody is ever put in the position that they need to defend themselves with deadly force and have to defend our civil liberties in the process but in court when the lawyer says "he posted publicly that he would shoot a person for this" pucker factor WILL go up.



Take it for what it's worth guys, not a smart thing to be doing. The likelyhood of someone here haveing to defend themselves is not good at all, that being said..... who knows, I might strap on my 1911 and walk out that door today..... and have to defend my life or that of another. I hope and pray that it ust makes my leg a little stronger just siting there.



As for open carry, most places it is not legal. Kudos to the states that still allow it. Don't you think that it might attract the wrong kind of attention?

I carry open when in the mountains and there are bigger, meaner animals with teeth, but if the bad guy see's your pistol, he will be more prepared and possibly get the jump on you if he had ill intentions in the first place... .

I think I would rather give the idiot a suprise. I DO NOT believe in the "give them what they want" idea and it will all go away, a lawyer can quote me on that one.



Stepping off my soap box..... NO FLAMING GOING ON, just a little food for thought. I do admit, I enjoy the thread about firearms, just wish it was a little more positive.



Russ

 

[klenger]

I enjoy the thread about firearms, just wish it was a little more positive.

... and I thoght this thread was supposed to be about bicyclists.

 

[RussW1911]

Did you miss the part where the cyclist brought weapons into the thread?

 

[JStraw]

Did you miss the part where the cyclist brought weapons into the thread?

I caught it... the bike :-laf Seriously though, anything can become a weapon, not just firearms.

 

[cyborg]

... and I thoght this thread was supposed to be about bicyclists.

it's called "SMOKE and mirrors".



If you read the SC vehicle code sections identified, then you know how to legally pass and overtake a slower vehicle.



And I seriously doubt some glockateer is going to screw a gun barrel in your ear for blowing smoke. I was wrong to fan the flames.



Back on topic

Next time you decide to smoke some cyclist minding his own business, pedalling his azz; or some little old lady waiting at the curb; or kids playing in the parkway, consider that there are a lot of people that think diesels are noisy, smelly, smokey vehicles (and I think they are right). If those same people knew that you had a box, that allows you to billow out smoke as you see fit, to harrass and annoy. They will be on the march to outlaw performance boxes. And the good politicians will support the noisiest constituents. Then the enviromentalists, the vegans and so forth. Remember the corvair?

Right now it's kind of like our dirty little secret.



When you smoke out that little old lady in her Hyundai for (heaven forbid) impeding you on your way to develop a cure for cancer, or save the planet from aliens, you are providing the public with an example of the negative stereotype that justifies a ban on performance enhancing "stuff". Your driving a nail in the coffin of diesel performance.

"we found the enemy and they are us".



But more to the point, I would like to see a pic of a line of cars, behind a lone cyclist hogging the lane. Not just on his 6 inches of blacktop either. Now, or anytime in the future.

 

[JStraw]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-11-15-bikes-new-york_x.htm



http://www.times-up.org/about.php



Sounds like cyclist can be just as irresponsable as anyone else. I could easily stereotype them all but I won't due to the actions of a few groups.



Besides, we all know that real bikes have motors

 

[JEccles]

if your riding a bicycle on a street with a speed limit 45 and above your a moron... . especially in a big city. why would you even want to anyway? they think there doing there body good but there just suckin' in a bunch of carbon monoxide..... that sounds smart

 

[cyborg]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-11-15-bikes-new-york_x.htm



http://www.times-up.org/about.php



Sounds like cyclist can be just as irresponsable as anyone else. I could easily stereotype them all but I won't due to the actions of a few groups.



Besides, we all know that real bikes have motors

Critical Mass is the best you can do? An organized protest?



The other one was about community involvement. "We have youth involved in community garden activities, learning about alternative transportation in their classrooms and on field trips, joining rides, and fixing bikes"

ooooohhhh!!



like your arguments, Pretty lame.

 

[JStraw]

Critical Mass is the best you can do? An organized protest?



The other one was about community involvement. "We have youth involved in community garden activities, learning about alternative transportation in their classrooms and on field trips, joining rides, and fixing bikes"

ooooohhhh!!



like your arguments, Pretty lame.

You ask for proof and I gave you one. I'm not going to spend hours researching on the net. Critical mass is not an organized event. A protest it is, but it isn't legally permitted as a parade nor does it follow a route. It does disrupt and block traffic. Funny how I seen pictures of bikes in trucks and on cars. Seems that if they are as eco-friendly as they say they are, they would peddle thier butts to the stagging area no matter how far it was. There are bike paths all over this country just for the enjoyment of cyclist and for thier safety. I can't drive my truck or motorcycles on those, but I pay taxes for thier upkeep.



I have to register/ buy insurance and pay ad valorem taxes to drive on the streets and to pay for there upkeep. If cyclist want to use the road they should not be exempt from doing the same.

 

[SSabick]

Maybe the bicyclist just doesn't want to pay the $3. 00 a gal for fuel at the pump, and he/she is doing her part to help decrease the cost by not buying any more than they have to? I still say it won't be long, and the roads will get closer and closer to looking just like China with all the bicycles on the road, if the cost of fuel and gas keeps going up, and pay checks trickle about the way they seem to.

 

[JStraw]

Maybe the bicyclist just doesn't want to pay the $3. 00 a gal for fuel at the pump, and he/she is doing her part to help decrease the cost by not buying any more than they have to? I still say it won't be long, and the roads will get closer and closer to looking just like China with all the bicycles on the road, if the cost of fuel and gas keeps going up, and pay checks trickle about the way they seem to.

I agree, thats why I ride my motorcycles to/from work and on the weekend travels. Likewise I have my fair share (and more) of drivers that have run me off the road, etc. But the big difference is that I don't carry a firearm on my bike and harbor thoughts or challenges about getting even.



This easily could go back and forth when the bottom line is- that whether on bike or in vehicle, the persons attitude will dictate an appropriate response.

 

[cyborg]

When all else fails bring up the gun? Off topic.



For the readers here, Critical Mass is an organized protest-ride, to bring awareness to the bicycles that share the road. On the last friday of the month, in certain metropolitan cities, cyclist meet somewhere, then as a group (pack), they ride through the city. When the pack enters an intersection, the the light turn red they, control the intersection until the end of the pack gets through. I would have to research it, but I recall it was started when someone got hit by a car. The goups have been quite large, several hundred.



There are three kinds of people that bike to work: the athlete, the conservationist, the DUI. Any way you slice it, they are doing there part. You bellow to rule the road, they just want six inches of it.

They do their part by riding the bike, you should do yours by letting them. Hell, after reading your ramblings, they're doing your part too!



The assertion was that a cyclist or two were impedeing the flow of traffic, on a road or highway, in such a way you were unable to pass, and a line of cars behind him.

I call BS.



Even though I'm sure it has happened and will happen. It's not that often.

It's like the farm equipment, pass when safe to do so and get over it.



Now I think I'll enjoy some of your well spent tax dollars and go ride on the bike path.

 

[WadePatton]

Ooooooooh, but I love my tax-exempt status SO much.



When I flash my "I'm a cyclist and pay no taxes" card when filling up one of my trucks--everybody is envious. The say "Man, I wish I had a bike, then I could live tax free too". Then we cyclists get that special income tax allowance to buy a new bike each year.



And there's no tax on Gatorade and sports drinks and riding food for cyclists either.



Did I mention that there's no sales tax on anything related to cycling.



And all that is too bad because they've had to repave the shoulder of the road 3 times out here. Them cyclists wear it out quick. :-laf

 

[JStraw]

More for the readers here:



The gun is on topic as the cyclist toter wrote about it first in his post. Or do we just pick and choose what we want to rant about?



If it (critical Mass) is legally organized why don't they have a parade permit or get police escort? They don't (it would defeat the purpose of a protest) and that is why they are being arrested for impeding traffic.



Last time I looked it is illegal to hold traffic up no matter how big or small of a group unless being escorted by the police and/or having a parade permit. As a motorcycle club rider I can attest first hand to this. Just because some groups do it doesn't mean its legal. Only the law/ emergency services have traffic control authority.



As for taxs, I have to pay the same when I drink cyclist gatorade and food stuff ( I didn't know it was sport specific, sorry),or related items to my hobbies.



As much as your an avid rider, do you really need to fill up your truck? It should be full.



I think smoking out cyclist just became my new hobbie. :-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[crobertson1]

... . they just want six inches of it.

The problem I have, is when the cyclist wants the six inches of road on the LEFT side of the white line, when there is 4-6 FEET of bike path on the RIGHT side of the white line.



I guarantee, I'll take out my headlight or mirror on a bicyclist or two, rather than endanger my family by crossing the yellow line between opposing traffic. I'd rather just hold my line and hope the cyclist does the same.



Some of you gun toting cyclists are sounding like a good reason for MORE gun control laws. And I'm an ardent supporter of the second amendment!!



BTW, I ride too. I just stay as far to the right as possible when doing so.

 

[klenger]

Those of us who bicycle also drive motor vehicles, and I assume that the cyclists on this forum are driving a full size truck. We drive on the same roads you do and pass cyclists as often as you non-cyclist do. It seems that passing a cyclist is pretty difficult for a non-cyclist, so I'll explain how I do it and maybe this will help.



When coming up on a cyclist, I give him(her) about 4' of clearance and carefully pass them on the left, making no smoke, jestures, or horn honking. After passing them, I move back to the center of the lane. On the rare occassions that I cannot safely pass the cyclist, I wait till I can. This process usually does not take any longer than 10 or 15 seconds. Pretty simple actually, and takes considerably less time than trying to pass a slow moving motor vehicle that uses the whole lane and is traveling 5 MPH lower than the speed limit.



Hope this helps.

 

[cyborg]

I guarantee, I'll take out my headlight or mirror on a bicyclist or two, rather than endanger my family by crossing the yellow line between opposing traffic. I'd rather just hold my line and hope the cyclist does the same.



BTW, I ride too. I just stay as far to the right as possible when doing so.

Like I said. It sounds like you have too much truck. If you hit that cyclist, under those circumstances, any lawyer worth his salt will have you living out of a shopping cart. But seriously, you might have more truck than you can handle.

The gun is on topic as the cyclist toter wrote about it first in his post. Or do we just pick and choose what we want to rant about?

typical dis-information, like some of the other arguments made, the first post mentions nothing about firearms.

Still no pix, huh?

 

[crobertson1]

So, you'd have me cross the center line and risk a head on collision with another vehicle to avoid hitting a bicyclist who is on the WRONG side of the white line in the VEHICLE traffic lane? And it would be ME who is in the wrong? You're right though, I'd probably be the one who is punished. That's the nature of todays backwards, law suit infested legal system.



What about my statement is it, that doesn't make sense? You try driving on curvy, mountain, two lane roads with blind curves that you can't see around and coming up on some IDIOT on a bike riding a couple of feet from the edge of the road. We get a lot of of those MORONS up here where I live.



If you read my posts, you'll see my problem is with those guys who ride on the wrong side of the white line. I have no problem with those guys who "share the road". In my first post, I said I agree with jeepmullett about smoking cyclists who DON'T deserve it . I don't recall insulting you either.