To those of you who think it's cool to smoke out cyclists...

[Rman]

Check jeepmullet's thread a while ago about the bassboat/PWC thing. It's pretty humerous too.



Mr. Robertson I understand what all of you are saying, there are "bad" individuals in every group of people. I would group the "diesel enthusiasts" that go around blowing smoke because of there lack of tuning prowess blatantly in an obvious misuse of there new found power as "bad".



I don't put myself in situations that you refer too, I ride generally in low traffic areas. As for the riders 4 abreast... they must not be very good riders, drafting sure makes an easier day for you.



Everyone has an opinion, and well thats just it. The laws are expressed for my protection and others, against what half of this thread's responders do.



They have bike lanes in some of the more "health concious" parts around here so it's kind of nice anyway. I ride in the sticks far away from anyone.

 

[Jeepmullet]

Check jeepmullet's thread a while ago about the bassboat/PWC thing. It's pretty humerous too.

Dont bring me into this~! :-laf

 

[Rman]

Hey you brought yourself on post #1! might be time to get out the kitchen, page 4 of the thread, we're just getting warmed up. CHeck Gary's camping at walmart thread!

 

[barbwire]

Ditto

To those of you who ride bicycles to the left of the white line on narrow canyon highways, be prepared for the 3rd to 5th shift. You don't like it, get to the right of the line or take one of the thousands of miles of bike paths paid for by me, the taxpayer.



To those of you who smoke cigarettes and toss'em out the window, be prepared for a very slow passing... . and a 3rd to 5th shift.



Don't like my opinion? Kiss my bass.

" Every word in this post is very well put" I couldn't have said it any better. Thank you TPCDrafting

 

[barbwire]

YEE-HAW!! I love a spirited thread.

The first and most important point, is that bicycles are ENTITLED, by law, to that lane. And the center lane when turning left. If you don't like it, change the law or learn to share.



Traveling to the right of the fog line is usually pretty potholed and dangerous to ride on. Riding on the sidewalk is technically illegal. Learn to share.



Behavior like that really pizzes off cops. Especially bike cops. I know it would take me an hour to run wants and warrants on you, we would wait for a DOT-commercial officer to go over you truck, "in the interest of public safety", of course. No cat? Tow it! Excessive noise? Tow it! Overweight? Tow it! Bumper or lights too high? Tow it! If there is a way to send you walking, I would find it.



And lastly, remember that cyclist are usually pretty healthy, so the cyclist you harrass today, just might jerk a knot in your neck tomorrow.

Sounds to me like another swelled headded cop. JMHO

 

[barbwire]

well thought out post

YES, bicyclists are legally permitted to use public roadways other than freeways - but they are ALSO legally required to observe ALL the same traffic laws as motorists!



Where we formerly lived, there were steep grade double yellow-lined and narrow 2-lane roads bicyclists LOVED to use for their rides, and once started up those long grades, there was NO WAY to legally or safely pass the slower moving bikers due to the winding nature of the roads and reduced visibility.



It was not uncommon to see 6-8 cars lined up behind a bike rider traveling at little more than walking speed due to the grade, as they waited for the top of the hill, or for the biker to display the courtesy or common sense to let them by.



Even though there WERE frequent driveways and similar spots where the bikers COULD pull over and let vehicle traffic safely pass, I *never once* saw any of them display the courtesy and consideration to do so!



Courtesy, consideration and respect are just as reasonable attributes for the BICYCLISTS to exhibit as it is for motorists - indeed, MORESO, since the bikers are more vulnerable!



I commonly see bikers fail to stop at stopsigns, or make signals when turning - and following the legal requirement for pulling off the roadway to allow faster moving traffic to pass safely often isn't even in their comprehension!



Some of you ranting at being exposed to danger by vehicles trying to pass you because YOU refuse to pull over and let them do so safely are obviously indifferent to the danger you put THEM to as they often must cross over a lane divider into the potential path of oncoming traffic - danger and injury is JUST as likely to be caused by an inconsiderate BIKER, as it is a careless motorist.



Some bikers seemingly feel THEY are being thoughtlessly singled out for abuse by motorists, and are unwilling to realize or consider it is THEIR OWN lack of consideration and observance of traffic laws and common sense that create issues! You aren't discriminated against *because* you ride bicycles - it's because of HOW you do so!



You want respect and consideration?



Why not show some of your OWN?

I guess I couldn't add any more to this. Except that I agree wholeheartedly!

 

[barbwire]

yet another excellent post

well heres how i see it im a biker i prefer the mtn trails over the street but i have been seen tooling around modesto and surounding areas on my mtn bike and when im on the road i go by size that car weighs 2000lbs i weigh 200 w/ bike that means if he wants to push me around he can so i stay on the side and as far off as possible i make sure my intentions are clear and i wait for gaps to cross pretty much i do everything in my power to not get in the way and i hate it when i see other bikers doing it and since i got my truck turned up i now can smoke them when they are being pricks and feel justified one they are being stupid two i am often riding as they are and know to stay the hell out of the way

I think that if all bikers were as considerate as you , then there would be no animosity towards them. However, from what I have witnessed, I think that you are a rare and intelligent individual.

 

[barbwire]

Todd T, you are the reason I carry a PT145 with me on the bike.

By the way, how's that bassboat?

I think I just heard a psyco speak

 

[Jeepmullet]

I guess I couldn't add any more to this. Except that I agree wholeheartedly!

Really? So cyclists are expected to pull over and wait for others to pass but others arent expected to wait for an acceptable (non dangerous) time to pass? What a selfish, narrowminded, pompous attitude to have.



I've yet to see a driver pulling a 5'er to pull over when there are 20 cars behind them going through the mountains between Arkansas and southern Missouri. Never once. I'm courteous enough not to blow smoke on them as I pass though. I hope you never tow heavy, and when you do... I hope that your truck pulling 9k lbs is as fast as I (the motorist) following behind you need you to be between stoplights or going down windy roads.





The situation with a biker going 10mph up a hill sucks for everyone, and the biker should not impede traffic. That's ridiculous. Using that example as a reason to hate on all bikers is bullcrap. This horse**** attitude of entitlement to drive when, wherever, and as fast as one wants is just that, crap. Even more than that, it's a really selective application of freedom and liberties.



I'm certainly not trying to single you out... this is my opinion of all people who feel as you do. I understand that it's just my opinion and nothing more.

 

[Jeepmullet]

I think I just heard a psyco speak

Good for you.

 

[barbwire]

Really? So cyclists are expected to pull over and wait for others to pass but others arent expected to wait for an acceptable (non dangerous) time to pass? What a selfish, narrowminded, pompous attitude to have.



I've yet to see a driver pulling a 5'er to pull over when there are 20 cars behind them going through the mountains between Arkansas and southern Missouri. Never once. I'm courteous enough not to blow smoke on them as I pass though. I hope you never tow heavy, and when you do... I hope that your truck pulling 9k lbs is as fast as I (the motorist) following behind you need you to be between stoplights or going down windy roads.





The situation with a biker going 10mph up a hill sucks for everyone, and the biker should not impede traffic. That's ridiculous. Using that example as a reason to hate on all bikers is bullcrap. This horse**** attitude of entitlement to drive when, wherever, and as fast as one wants is just that, crap. Even more than that, it's a really selective application of freedom and liberties.



I'm certainly not trying to single you out... this is my opinion of all people who feel as you do. I understand that it's just my opinion and nothing more.

I never wrote any of the words of which you wrote in this post. I think you should maybe get off the smoke filled highway though, and ride a nice clean bike path to clear your head . Or maybe you have dislexia? Please forgive the spelling. And, BTW can you explain to me why it is that I have to register (license) my 4 or more tired vehicles to drive the highways, and bicyclists do not have to. And , if you would concider this senario... . What if you were to be driving on a long stretch of highway, and you were doing 65mph"because the law says you can, and the road is in rolling hills (some of which are quite short, but high enough to hide a small vehicle on the other side)and you pop over the hill to find a group of cyclists spread out in the lane you are in. AND there is another semi coming towards everyone in the other lane. You are weighing in at 80,000 lbs. ( also legal), you use up your reaction time appying the air brakes. and while you are doing this , you would expect the cyclists to make hasty exit to the right side of the road, as anyone, in their right minds, who "shares" the road to do, as you are barreling down on them, at approx. 6 times there given speed. And , they do not... ... ...

Who would you feel the best about killing, because these biking individuals did not feel that they should show concideration, and have an apparent death wish? Do you have a head on with the other trucker, because he is maybe the only one in his cab, ( while taking your own life as well)? or do you try to take your 80,000 lb rig into the steep right ditch where you expect the cyclists to be going, in such a scary moment? Or do you hold your lane, and hope that they have the good sense and concideration to do so? Remember to think, before you respond to this, that you have only a few split seconds to make your decision, before an almost eminent impact occurs.

All in all, I want you to know that this scene is in no way fictional. none of it is made up. It happenned to me.

As it turned out, the other semi driver must have been in a hurry this time . And thank God for that. Because as he went by the cyclists, he cleared the last one as I had to make the fatal decision to try to pass the ignorant two wheeled ***es to their left almost taking my mirror off on the back end of the trailor of the other semi, while the sweat was running off me while I had a sickening feeling that I had maybe killed someone. And to top it all off, I looked in my mirror anxiously to see if all the cyclists were still accounted for, only to see one of them that was in the middle of the lane I was in, standing straddling his bike (still in the middle of the lane) giving me the #1 sign. Did I lose all repect for the majority of cyclists at that moment???? YOU BET I DID!!!!!!!!!!! Stick that in your bass boat & smoke it . See if I care!!!

 

[Jeepmullet]

I never wrote any of the words of which you wrote in this post. I think you should maybe get off the smoke filled highway though, and ride a nice clean bike path to clear your head . Or maybe you have dislexia? Please forgive the spelling. And, BTW can you explain to me why it is that I have to register (license) my 4 or more tired vehicles to drive the highways, and bicyclists do not have to. And , if you would concider this senario... . What if you were to be driving on a long stretch of highway, and you were doing 65mph"because the law says you can, and the road is in rolling hills (some of which are quite short, but high enough to hide a small vehicle on the other side)and you pop over the hill to find a group of cyclists spread out in the lane you are in. AND there is another semi coming towards everyone in the other lane. You are weighing in at 80,000 lbs. ( also legal), you use up your reaction time appying the air brakes. and while you are doing this , you would expect the cyclists to make hasty exit to the right side of the road, as anyone, in their right minds, who "shares" the road to do, as you are barreling down on them, at approx. 6 times there given speed. And , they do not... ... ...

Who would you feel the best about killing, because these biking individuals did not feel that they should show concideration, and have an apparent death wish? Do you have a head on with the other trucker, because he is maybe the only one in his cab, ( while taking your own life as well)? or do you try to take your 80,000 lb rig into the steep right ditch where you expect the cyclists to be going, in such a scary moment? Or do you hold your lane, and hope that they have the good sense and concideration to do so? Remember to think, before you respond to this, that you have only a few split seconds to make your decision, before an almost eminent impact occurs.

All in all, I want you to know that this scene is in no way fictional. none of it is made up. It happenned to me.

As it turned out, the other semi driver must have been in a hurry this time . And thank God for that. Because as he went by the cyclists, he cleared the last one as I had to make the fatal decision to try to pass the ignorant two wheeled ***es to their left almost taking my mirror off on the back end of the trailor of the other semi, while the sweat was running off me while I had a sickening feeling that I had maybe killed someone. And to top it all off, I looked in my mirror anxiously to see if all the cyclists were still accounted for, only to see one of them that was in the middle of the lane I was in, standing straddling his bike (still in the middle of the lane) giving me the #1 sign. Did I lose all repect for the majority of cyclists at that moment???? YOU BET I DID!!!!!!!!!!! Stick that in your bass boat & smoke it . See if I care!!!

I was responding to what you quoted and said you agreed with.



Having said that, That scenario sounds like it is entirely the fault of the cyclists. That probably makes cyclists look real bad too. If you're an over the road driver (guessing you are if you're loaded to 80k) then you're probably more likely to experience a scenario like the one you just typed. That would make me hate cyclists also.



A couple reasons bikers shouldnt have to register to be on the roads:

1. they dont tear them up

2. no pollution



I guess the reason I chose to respond to your posting out of everyone's postings was because of your several quip like, one-lined, "I second that motion" type posts which didnt really add anything of merit to the thread.



You want to type in and fan the flames? That's fine, that's your right. It's mine to respond.

 

[Ol'TrailDog]

Take That

Okay, I've been here, done that, before on the not-so-Great Smoke Stories, aka General Inconsiderates of the World Unite!,



Here was my simple, but elegant, solution. Simply place one of these pups in the appropriate tailpipe and, voile!, no more smoke. :-laf

 

[Neibe]

Here in Michigan it is Michigan law that cyclists have as much right to the road as anyone and we do pay taxes with the cars we drive.

 

[barbwire]

A couple reasons bikers shouldnt have to register to be on the roads:

1. they dont tear them up



(maybe not, but they still might need emergency responders & "highway" patrols, and nice highways to ride on. Someone needs to pay for it. Why should it be the ones who have to look out for their incociderate *******, as if they were nothing more intellegent than deer or racoons?

2. no pollution.



Agreed, and I respect and admire this aspect. However, it is still no reason to be a safety hazard. BTW, I wish I were able to have the time to ride bicycle around our great nation as well. But I am not that financially fortunate to be able to take the time to do it, and if I did I would hope I would be one of the ones that would show more respect and concideration for others. If a certian percentage of bikers would have been demonstrating common sense in the first place, I'll bet that the original "smoker" of this thread would not be so apt to want to smoke them. He would have saved it for some other inconciderate sector of our society. I personally do not feel that we should have to "smoke" anyone, jmo.



I guess the reason I chose to respond to your posting out of everyone's postings was because of your several quip like, one-lined, "I second that motion" type posts which didnt really add anything of merit to the thread. I simply wanted to show my support to their side.



You want to type in and fan the flames? That's fine, that's your right. It's mine to respond.





Right again, glad we can do it. In some other countries we probably couldn't.

And finally, although, that incident happened to me several years ago, I still break a sweat when my memory decides it should bring it up. Believe me, it was scary. I guess I believe that there is a time and a place for everything, but, I will never be convinced that it will be safe or the right place for cyclists to be on highways of a super industrialized nation. If by some chance that we could somehow slow life down to the point where it would be a safe and exceptable thing, I would be one of the first to welcome such things.

One final comment, I guess. I have always thought that our leaders were missing the boat when it came to planning our transportation needs. I have always felt that they should have been putting in bike paths for the environmentally conscious people to get to any destination they desired, without having to compete with larger vehicles. If anything, I'll bet there would be a lot less motorised traffic on our highways. I myself would be more apt to ride bikes more often. I thank everyone for letting me vent.

 

[barbwire]

I apologize that I am stiil computer illiterate, and I do not have the ability to highlight your responses, to make the distinction between yours and mine. I am sure that there are some people that woud like to "smoke" me off the computer, for it. HeHe!

 

[cyborg]

Sounds to me like another swelled headded cop. JMI apologize that I am stiil computer illiterate, and I do not have the ability to highlight your responses, to make the distinction between yours and mine. I am sure that there are some people that woud like to "smoke" me off the computer, for it. HeHe!

Just do what you did on posts 124 through 128

Sounds to me like another swelled headded cop. JMHO

After an anonymous complaint, Officer Friendly and his partner prepare to administer an emissions inspection.....

 

[cyborg]

Cycling And You

Some here would have us believe that the bike has gone the way of the dinosaur. That the roads it traveled decades before the automobile are no longer suited for such archaic forms of transportation. But remember, if not for the bike, we probably wouldn't have the car/truck. In fact, had the Dodge Brothers not been successful at building bicycles they would not have had the capitol to build autombiles. So, if it were not for bicycles, we would not have Dodge.

Our society and our government WANT us to bike to work, for all the reasons listed in previous posts. And every cyclist you see out there riding to work or ?, using the bike as transportation, is saving you money. By not driving a car and contributing to the problem they are, in fact, part of the solution. It isn't that one takes priority over the other. They share the road.



Riding four abreast up a steep mountain road is moronic. Other cyclists don't even condone it. I doubt it's as commonplace as some of you would have us believe. Urban legend. "A friends sister, heard from a reliable source". I'm sure it happens once in a while. Pictures, please!!! That is where we separate the good drivers from the, not-so-good drivers. The good driver is not traveling any faster than is safe (remember that one?), accept the situation, maintains control and deals with it. He doesn't flip out and react emotionally with road rage, smoking people and leaning on the horn. Well, maybe three or four abreast, you could sneek up on them and nail them with the grovers. You don't take aggressive/offensive action against others with your vehicle. Like one person said, maybe you should read that little book. Maybe you should take a defensive drivers course. I certainly hope this is just "web-talk" or maybe the next thread will be "How I Killed a Cyclist Because I'm Stupid".

 

[klenger]

Don't forget that the Wright Brothers started out building bicycles.



So I was out today riding the streets of Tucson, trying to get to 2000 miles for the year, just minding my own business, and had a rear tire blow-out. Replaced the tube with a new one, put a $5 bill inside the tire where it blew-out and limped over to Performance Bike Shop. Lucky for me it was only about 3 miles away. $90 later with a pair of Continentals, and I was on my way home and ended the day at 2001. 5 miles for the year.

 

[Jeepmullet]

A couple reasons bikers shouldnt have to register to be on the roads:

1. they dont tear them up



(maybe not, but they still might need emergency responders & "highway" patrols, and nice highways to ride on. Someone needs to pay for it. Why should it be the ones who have to look out for their incociderate *******, as if they were nothing more intellegent than deer or racoons?

2. no pollution.



Agreed, and I respect and admire this aspect. However, it is still no reason to be a safety hazard. BTW, I wish I were able to have the time to ride bicycle around our great nation as well. But I am not that financially fortunate to be able to take the time to do it, and if I did I would hope I would be one of the ones that would show more respect and concideration for others. If a certian percentage of bikers would have been demonstrating common sense in the first place, I'll bet that the original "smoker" of this thread would not be so apt to want to smoke them. He would have saved it for some other inconciderate sector of our society. I personally do not feel that we should have to "smoke" anyone, jmo.



I guess the reason I chose to respond to your posting out of everyone's postings was because of your several quip like, one-lined, "I second that motion" type posts which didnt really add anything of merit to the thread. I simply wanted to show my support to their side.



You want to type in and fan the flames? That's fine, that's your right. It's mine to respond.





Right again, glad we can do it. In some other countries we probably couldn't.

And finally, although, that incident happened to me several years ago, I still break a sweat when my memory decides it should bring it up. Believe me, it was scary. I guess I believe that there is a time and a place for everything, but, I will never be convinced that it will be safe or the right place for cyclists to be on highways of a super industrialized nation. If by some chance that we could somehow slow life down to the point where it would be a safe and exceptable thing, I would be one of the first to welcome such things.

One final comment, I guess. I have always thought that our leaders were missing the boat when it came to planning our transportation needs. I have always felt that they should have been putting in bike paths for the environmentally conscious people to get to any destination they desired, without having to compete with larger vehicles. If anything, I'll bet there would be a lot less motorised traffic on our highways. I myself would be more apt to ride bikes more often. I thank everyone for letting me vent.

no worries from me, I apologize for sounding like a jerk. In all reality, I am a jerk. I try to mask it the best I can, but it doesnt always work. Thinking about that situation makes me cringe, and I wasnt even there. Hats off to you for not splatting one of them. Yeah I'd like more bike trails, but I ride a hardtail mountain/trail bike anyways.



Can we talk about smoking GMC's now?