Will the 2017 Ram match the 2017 Ford PowerStroke Power ratings?

[Newsa]

How much torque does the Aisin put out again? :-laf

Buy the ford if you believe the sales gimmick. Those numbers are to increase sales. It's a time tested marketing ploy. You can keep reciting the numbers as you drive.

 

[kthaxton]

Buy the ford if you believe the sales gimmick. Those numbers are to increase sales. It's a time tested marketing ploy. You can keep reciting the numbers as you drive.

Your response seems to have no relation to my reply you quoted, I am not looking to buy a Ford. What am I missing?

My response was poking fun at your (and many others) statements that seem to attribute engine torque, to the transmission......and other unrelated things attributed to the transmission (especially the Aisin).

 

[Newsa]

I understand your conment now. I agree these torque war comments are ridiculous.
Every year the previous truck seems to become obsolet. If you are looking to own the torquiest truck, you will be upstaged by the next upgrade. The trannies are different. But they don't produce the torque. Nobody's gonna ride their Aisin to the rodeo.
The 4500 & 5500 only have 325 HP & 750 ft lbs. Yet most of them will last close to a million miles.

 

[w6pea]

I love my 2016 Ram, which was the top dog when I bought it.....my only issue with the Ford SD 2017 is we are going to hear about it over and over and over again.....they're as annoying as the Chevy WIFI commercials.

And really with all the torque management how much and when do we really get all that power? It's actually really hard to break the rear end loose on my 2016 dually on dry pavement, LOL. Even with traction control off shouldn't I be able to leave black burnout tracks everywhere with 900# of torque?

I think they will run the commercials in the ground. I don't know which ones are worse the election commercials or the new truck commercials. Thank god there is a mute button and or an on/off button on the television remote control.

 

[Jeff Knight]

I read with the ford you won't get max torque until 4th gear. Ram might be waiting to see what the new gm diesels will have before coming out with there numbers.

 

[SnoKing]

Funny, even the Ford rep said in the one video that it was the first new superduty in 18 years. Talk about playing catch up! Those blue cool aid people look at it as the second coming of god! SNOKING

 

[LHarper]

I agree. Nothing like an exhaust brake when your coming down a steep mountain pulling a trailer.

 

[Newsa]

I read with the ford you won't get max torque until 4th gear. Ram might be waiting to see what the new gm diesels will have before coming out with there numbers.

The Rams also have torque management in at least 1st & 2nd gear on the automatics. And below 40 mph on the manual transmission.

 

[Flash1034]

It will be interesting to see if Ram at least matches Fords numbers.

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[Whitewolf]

I made crankshafts for Caterpillar for 25 years. From non-production to current production. This '14 is my first diesel but not my first Ram. When I was trying to decide on getting one I found a video of a cut-a-way of a Cummins. And then they showed the crank. That's what cinched it for me. Then I looked at the HP and Torque ratings and when they were realized. Having the HP is nice, but having the Torque is nicer.
I don't need to know how fast I get to the wall but how far I can go thru that wall.

 

[Cummins2014]

I think they will run the commercials in the ground. I don't know which ones are worse the election commercials or the new truck commercials. Thank god there is a mute button and or an on/off button on the television remote control.

Too bad there is not a mute button, and or an on/off button to shut down threads like this . Really, hoping the Ram is going to match the Ford ratings. Obviously thinking about the wrong truck if worried about ratings.

 

[DAN V]

I looked at some pics of the 2017 Furd's and the exterior look too boxy like the Cheby and the interior looks like they are copying the Ram interior. Sure is one fugly looking truck.

 

[SnoKing]

Too bad there is not a mute button, and or an on/off button to shut down threads like this . Really, hoping the Ram is going to match the Ford ratings. Obviously thinking about the wrong truck if worried about ratings.

Say what???? You did not have to read it or post on it!!! SNOKING

 

[Cummins2014]

Say what???? You did not have to read it or post on it!!! SNOKING

And there is a difference with your reply

 

[Flash1034]

I was hoping Ram would uprate the Cummins in 2017 to stay in the hunt with GM and Fords power ratings. Now looks like it will be 2018 at the earliest...

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[KCJackson1]

I was hoping Ram would uprate the Cummins in 2017 to stay in the hunt with GM and Fords power ratings. Now looks like it will be 2018 at the earliest...

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Cummins has already announced the new B-series engine - it's coming. New emissions standards go into effect for January 1 2017, which is why you also see revised Powerstroke and Duramax engines. But you have to understand one loophole that EPA allows for meeting emissions. If the engine build date is before an emissions change, a vehicle manufacturer can still use the engine after the new emission-regs date. In other words, FCA can continue to build Rams with the current (2013-emissions) engine as long as the engines are built no later than December 31 2016. As long as FCA has sufficient stock of those engines, they can keep using them... and FCA may have very well requested a stockpile from Cummins to complete the 2017 model run. But at some point next year, FCA will begin to install the new 2017-spec B6.7 (no longer ISB6.7).

The question isn't really about a new engine. Ford and GM offer the same maximum hp/tq rating over all their HD pickups... F-250 through F-450 get the same 440/925 Powerstroke, 2500-3500 GM trucks get the same 445/915 rating. FCA of course has three ratings based on transmission and the max rating is only available with an optional transmission and only on the 3500. They need to do something about that or risk sales, particularly in the 3/4-ton market... if the 68RFE is the best Ram is willing to offer in the 2500 and remains limited to 800 lb-ft, people who want power will go to the other guys. And no one wants additional torque management to choke off the drivetrain just for bragging rights of engine numbers. Cummins would probably say "Yeah, we can do 950 - do you have a transmission that can properly handle it?"

 

[w6pea]

Cummins has already announced the new B-series engine - it's coming. New emissions standards go into effect for January 1 2017, which is why you also see revised Powerstroke and Duramax engines. But you have to understand one loophole that EPA allows for meeting emissions. If the engine build date is before an emissions change, a vehicle manufacturer can still use the engine after the new emission-regs date. In other words, FCA can continue to build Rams with the current (2013-emissions) engine as long as the engines are built no later than December 31 2016. As long as FCA has sufficient stock of those engines, they can keep using them... and FCA may have very well requested a stockpile from Cummins to complete the 2017 model run. But at some point next year, FCA will begin to install the new 2017-spec B6.7 (no longer ISB6.7).

The question isn't really about a new engine. Ford and GM offer the same maximum hp/tq rating over all their HD pickups... F-250 through F-450 get the same 440/925 Powerstroke, 2500-3500 GM trucks get the same 445/915 rating. FCA of course has three ratings based on transmission and the max rating is only available with an optional transmission and only on the 3500. They need to do something about that or risk sales, particularly in the 3/4-ton market... if the 68RFE is the best Ram is willing to offer in the 2500 and remains limited to 800 lb-ft, people who want power will go to the other guys. And no one wants additional torque management to choke off the drivetrain just for bragging rights of engine numbers. Cummins would probably say "Yeah, we can do 950 - do you have a transmission that can properly handle it?"

I had read the same thing as stated above. I will find the magazine that I read it in and post a link to the article. (I am not sure if I still have the magazine, I think it was in Landline or HDT Magazine)

 

[Newsa]

I made crankshafts for Caterpillar for 25 years. From non-production to current production. This '14 is my first diesel but not my first Ram. When I was trying to decide on getting one I found a video of a cut-a-way of a Cummins. And then they showed the crank. That's what cinched it for me. Then I looked at the HP and Torque ratings and when they were realized. Having the HP is nice, but having the Torque is nicer.
I don't need to know how fast I get to the wall but how far I can go thru that wall.

Whitewolf, my dad worked at the E Peoria proving grounds for 35 years. He could eaaily describe why Car was better than the competition. Everyone thought Japan made a better product. Not so! Well, maybe the Aisin is better, but their engines (Komatsu and others) were/are not. The I6 design is superior and Cummins build is proven

 

[Flash1034]

Cummins has already announced the new B-series engine - it's coming. New emissions standards go into effect for January 1 2017, which is why you also see revised Powerstroke and Duramax engines. But you have to understand one loophole that EPA allows for meeting emissions. If the engine build date is before an emissions change, a vehicle manufacturer can still use the engine after the new emission-regs date. In other words, FCA can continue to build Rams with the current (2013-emissions) engine as long as the engines are built no later than December 31 2016. As long as FCA has sufficient stock of those engines, they can keep using them... and FCA may have very well requested a stockpile from Cummins to complete the 2017 model run. But at some point next year, FCA will begin to install the new 2017-spec B6.7 (no longer ISB6.7).

The question isn't really about a new engine. Ford and GM offer the same maximum hp/tq rating over all their HD pickups... F-250 through F-450 get the same 440/925 Powerstroke, 2500-3500 GM trucks get the same 445/915 rating. FCA of course has three ratings based on transmission and the max rating is only available with an optional transmission and only on the 3500. They need to do something about that or risk sales, particularly in the 3/4-ton market... if the 68RFE is the best Ram is willing to offer in the 2500 and remains limited to 800 lb-ft, people who want power will go to the other guys. And no one wants additional torque management to choke off the drivetrain just for bragging rights of engine numbers. Cummins would probably say "Yeah, we can do 950 - do you have a transmission that can properly handle it?"

Great info. Thanks for the response! Happy Thanksgiving. One thing I did note when I looked at the Cummins website about the new B6.7. The highest rating was only 325/750. I reckon Ram will have to do better than that to stay competitive.

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[KCJackson1]

Great info. Thanks for the response! Happy Thanksgiving. One thing I did note when I looked at the Cummins website about the new B6.7. The highest rating was only 325/750. I reckon Ram will have to do better than that to stay competitive.

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Those are the medium duty truck ratings. The 2013-spec ISB6.7 was also limited to 750. Cummins considers the Ram version a separate engine model from the mainstream B available to any medium truck manufacturer.