Will the 2017 Ram match the 2017 Ford PowerStroke Power ratings?

[CUMMINZ]

Front=5120
Rear=6620
Truck=11740
Trailer=12780
Combined=24520

What is the GVW on the truck? The GVW on my 07.5 is 12,200#. The front axle cap is 5,200#. I think the new DRW trucks front is 6k and it needs to be that with the longer wheel bases.

 

[CUMMINZ]

TRUCK BODY FIT SEEMED LOOSE!? Like the body was coming off the chassis? Bolts rattling? CAB RIDING SIDEWAYS DOWN THE STREET.? Why would anyone get into any vehicle with a body not firmly attached to YHE Frame!? You are a BRAVE SOUL.....btw, the ride does get great with a load...if an 8 speed trans is better, a 16 speed would be the bomb! I suggest you stay away from extreme heavy duty trucks.... you won't like them...stay with a station wagon, you'll like it better...we all will fell safer...

DFB, what brought forth these comments? I have been riding in my 07.5 3500 DRW now for 11,000 miles on vacation towing 17,000# RV. That is 29,000#s total in a rough riding solid as a rock RAM. Our RAMs are NOT extreme HD trucks. Where did that come from? Why do I need a station wagon? What has me driving a station wagon got to do with you feeling safer? I climb into the first 3500 DRW 17' model and make a comment it rattled and doors were loose offend you? You must be a snowflake. My truck is an 07.5 with Suncoast towing transmission, the transmission is rated at 650HP. front end 988 snowplow springs, front Yukon locking hubs with HD spindles, rear air bags, rear spring modified with one full length leaf spring, AMSoil double bypass filters, 30,000# double air bag fifth wheel hitch with shocks and I tow with the Smarty set on 130HP setting. That is 480HP and nearly 1,000#s of TQ. It has 245x19.5 14ply tires. This is what I tow with. It will out tow any Late model aisin equipped truck out there. Now other than these comments I have not belittled anyones truck. Now if these truths have offended you that you are still a snowflake Xsswipe.

 

[SnoKing]

What is the GVW on the truck? The GVW on my 07.5 is 12,200#. The front axle cap is 5,200#. I think the new DRW trucks front is 6k and it needs to be that with the longer wheel bases.

GVWR of SB is 11700 and LB is 12300. I am paying tonnage to the State of Washington for 12,000 lbs. If I get close to that I will up it to 14K.

 

[SnoKing]

DFB, what brought forth these comments? I have been riding in my 07.5 3500 DRW now for 11,000 miles on vacation towing 17,000# RV. That is 29,000#s total in a rough riding solid as a rock RAM. Our RAMs are NOT extreme HD trucks. Where did that come from? Why do I need a station wagon? What has me driving a station wagon got to do with you feeling safer? I climb into the first 3500 DRW 17' model and make a comment it rattled and doors were loose offend you? You must be a snowflake. My truck is an 07.5 with Suncoast towing transmission, the transmission is rated at 650HP. front end 988 snowplow springs, front Yukon locking hubs with HD spindles, rear air bags, rear spring modified with one full length leaf spring, AMSoil double bypass filters, 30,000# double air bag fifth wheel hitch with shocks and I tow with the Smarty set on 130HP setting. That is 480HP and nearly 1,000#s of TQ. It has 245x19.5 14ply tires. This is what I tow with. It will out tow any Late model aisin equipped truck out there. Now other than these comments I have not belittled anyones truck. Now if these truths have offended you that you are still a snowflake Xsswipe.

How do you get from a 17K trailer to 29K combined. That would mean you have a 12K truck?

 

[CUMMINZ]

How do you get from a 17K trailer to 29K combined. That would mean you have a 12K truck?

My truck weighs over 13k when towing.

 

[Stab]

It's all about what ones definition of "power" and "better". Torque being equal, HP will always be higher in a V configuration than an inline engine. HP is a calculation based on RPM and the inline Cummins engine will never spin as fast as one of the other V8 diesels. Seat of the pants will always be less. However, the inline engine is going to have a more ideal torque band for pulling a load at various speeds. In addition, for a given "power" it's going to use less fuel. What this translates into is on a 10 minute pull the Powerstroke is going to get to the top of the hill 15 seconds faster, but use 20% more fuel doing it. The higher RPM will also mean in the long run the Powerstroke will wear out faster. So it all has to do with ones priority and their definition of "better". You can easily build a gas motor to beat both of them up the hill... but you'll never pass a gas station and the motor will have a fraction of the longevity.

Well said! In other words: "It's all about basic engine physics"!

 

[NIsaacs]

The new Rams need and 8 speed transmission.

I agree. With 4.10's and 1 more lower gear and 1 higher than the current 6 spd would be cool. That way I could keep up with Snoking's 3.42's

Nick

 

[SnoKing]

It would only take one more lower gear in the Aisin to match the 4:10's starting a heavier load with 3:42's out back.

3:42's do not need another higher gear! I just to not see RAM doing this. We did 92 MPH in Cummins12V98 2015 truck getting of a freeway ramp with 4:10's. So usable top speed is not restricted by the Aisin and 4:10's. Conversely the 4:10 trucks with a third overdrive could match the 3:42 trucks as a freeway cruiser.

More time shifting for a 8 speed is not necessarily a good thing, when the engine can get the job done with 6 forward speeds.

Just my 2 cents worth. But what do I know I just have owned this truck for a little under 2 years.

 

[CUMMINZ]

It would only take one more lower gear in the Aisin to match the 4:10's starting a heavier load with 3:42's out back.

3:42's do not need another higher gear! I just to not see RAM doing this. We did 92 MPH in Cummins12V98 2015 truck getting of a freeway ramp with 4:10's. So usable top speed is not restricted by the Aisin and 4:10's. Conversely the 4:10 trucks with a third overdrive could match the 3:42 trucks as a freeway cruiser.

More time shifting for a 8 speed is not necessarily a good thing, when the engine can get the job done with 6 forward speeds.

Just my 2 cents worth. But what do I know I just have owned this truck for a little under 2 years.

You certainly know more than I... I don't have an aisin. Please let me ask a question so I can offer an opinion. Would you post the actual gear ratio numbers of the aisin or 68rfe? High to low or other.

 

[SnoKing]

You certainly know more than I... I don't have an aisin. Please let me ask a question so I can offer an opinion. Would you post the actual gear ratio numbers of the aisin or 68rfe? High to low or other.

http://www.dieselhub.com/compare/aisin-vs-68rfe.html

The 68rfe does have a better reverse ratio.! Notice the weight difference. Aisin weighs half again as much.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Snoking thanks for the link. I have saved it. That is a good source.


Now let me give you guys my idea what RAM needs to do with their next major transmission revision. First off: Some of you I think have a very different idea of gear spreads than I do. This is not either or right or wrong on either part. Some have said give me one higher and one lower gear. (8 speed). IMO this is wrong thinking. This would not close up the RPM change between gears but keeping it the same but a better start and a better top end. IMO we don't need either. We need to keep the 4.44 for reverse of the 68rfe. We need to start off with the 3.75 of the aisin. Divide the total spread of gears evenly between the 3.75 of 1st gear and .63 of 6th. I would actually make 6th about .55... Then take that spread and divide by 8 instead of 6... I myself while towing heavy never wind the transmission extremely tight. With the spread of both trannys I often see after winding up 5th. and then shift into 6th. the RPMs drop enough to fall back to an RPM that will soon have to upshift again. Bare in mind I am dealing with an issue that you aisin guys are not. Right now I am dealing with high EGTs. Some of my shifts are to help kool the EGTs. All the factory stock engines I don't think are dealing with an occasional high EGT. Stock engine designs give a very last thing timing event to kool your EGTs. Modified engines with tuners have removed this last event and have a hard time dealing with EGTs.

 

[Cummins12V98]

My truck weighs over 13k when towing.

Mine only weighs 15,520#

 

[Cummins12V98]

I agree. With 4.10's and 1 more lower gear and 1 higher than the current 6 spd would be cool. That way I could keep up with Snoking's 3.42's

Nick

Why would you need a lower 1st gear with AISIN and 4.10's ??? At 35,340# I can easily get my load rolling on a grade.

 

[CUMMINZ]

TQ wars with Ford/Chevy

In the last two months we have been traveling the west towing heavy and have been experimenting with my Smarty. I have tried tunes from 30HP to 170HP. All tunes, the Suncoast towing transmission has done extremely well. I will also say I have tried all the settings that modify the TQ management. Settings from the highest TQ (factory) management all the way to #4 which is the setting of NO TQ management. Since RAM is on the bottom of the pile with around 900TQ compared to Ford/Chevy. I will say that RAM will have absolutely NO problem with extending the TQ to 1,000# and more simply by modifying the TQ management. We do not have to go all the way up to over 425HP to get better performance. I can simply set my Smarty to 30HP-60HP and set TQ management to #4 and the truck becomes a beast. From what I have read my engine came from factory with 350HP and 650TQ. If I run the Smarty on 170HP (that is additional rear wheel HP) That gives me 520HP and 990TQ. It is a pulling beast on this setting. But I can not run with NO TQ management. I back it off to factory TQ management. All RAM has to do is get the TQ management worked out and beef up the aisin where the weak points are and they will run strides way out in front of the others. It is not this simple. They will have to modify U-joints, rear end and transmission to do this and that costs $$$. We will see.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Why would you need a lower 1st gear with AISIN and 4.10's ??? At 35,340# I can easily get my load rolling on a grade.

Read a little closer. I did not say lower 1st. gear. I said 3.75 for 1st. which is the aisin low gear.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Mine only weighs 15,520#

I don't think that is a bad number. Your GVW is a ton more than mine.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Read a little closer. I did not say lower 1st. gear. I said 3.75 for 1st. which is the aisin low gear.

UH, I did NOT quote you.

 

[CUMMINZ]

http://www.dieselhub.com/compare/aisin-vs-68rfe.html

The 68rfe does have a better reverse ratio.! Notice the weight difference. Aisin weighs half again as much.

When I had my 04.5 and 06 with 5.9 I noticed that the rear gearing and operation of torque converter really sucked. I had a camping spot on the BlueRidge that was rather steep and I eventually started using low 4x4 to back into the spot. When I got the 6.7 in 07.5 I just hollered the first time I backed into the spot.

 

[CUMMINZ]

UH, I did NOT quote you.

You are correct. After I posted I read on further and saw that. Sorry

 

[NIsaacs]

Why would you need a lower 1st gear with AISIN and 4.10's ??? At 35,340# I can easily get my load rolling on a grade.

With a lower gear it would be even easier and less torque on the flex plate and converter. I think it would be nice for down hill, off highway, especially on a 4x2. I mean if I had an 8-spd to waste gears on, I would add one to the bottom.

If Ram does go 8 spd some day, and I think it is on the way, I would like to see the RPM's cut back more in line with Cummins medium duty applications and make better use of the 8 spd.

Nick