Pulling the trigger.... 2018 or a 2019??

[R.Taylor]

I've had my 2006 2500 Mega 4x4 since 2007..... Fully loaded Laramie and tons of upgrades (fabfours front/rear bumpers, Wheels, Carli gear, Billet Gorend trans, etc etc). I've been a TDR member since 2008. I'm due for an upgrade and some of the modern tech the new trucks have to offer. Looking to replace it with another 2500 4x4 Megacab Laramie.. Should I get a 2018 or should I go with the 2019... My biggest concern is the new CP4.2 pump and scissor lifter whatever thing. looking at a new 2018 2500 4x4 Mega laramie with sport package, nav,tow prep and a few other options in bright silver..

$61.5k after all the the dealer breaks ($72,695 Window sticker). They are offering $20k for trade in cause my 06 is bad-ass and I'd toss in another $10k and finance the $31,5k @ 3.9%.

Should I go with a 2018 or a 2019... Have all the bugs been worked out of the 4th gen 6.7l? I have not heard much about this new 4.5 gen 6.7l motor. I've been a 3rd gen guy since 2004, Had an 04 CC, 06 CC and now my current 06 MC.

 

[DHayden]

If you need to buy now I would go with the 19. The tech is better and that seems to be why you are upgrading. I wouldnt necissarily buy the first year of a new truck but then again, thats what warranty is for. Any issue with CP4 will be covered under warranty or be fixed by the after market in due time.

 

[JR]

People are making a big deal of the scissor gear but the ISX series has had one for the better part of 10 years. They are not a common failure point. They were also a DOHC set up for several years until around 2010 when they dropped one (still SOHC). So they (Cummins) are no strangers to what some consider "new tech".

 

[jgillott]

If modern tech is part of your motivation for buying new, you will eventually be disappointed in the 2018. There is no doubt that the '19 will be ahead in that department. And, it will not be long before the 4th gen tech in the 2018 will be yesterdays news.

 

[SnoKing]

Sure glad we purchased our 2015 when we did. This 2018 is around 8K than our was. SnoKing

 

[Deleted member 995608]

^^ That's not much help. LOL

I'd buy an 18 for the sole reason that's its tried and true. Any new body style, electronics, engine or transmission changes, I'd pass. The warranty is great and all, but I wouldn't want my hard earned money spent on a newbie product.

 

[AH64ID]

I went thru the same thoughts and have a ‘18 in the shop.

There honestly isn’t that much tech difference in the ‘19’s over the ‘18’s unless you want the huge touchscreen... which I personally would have avoided.

The CP4 and scissor timing gear were big decision points. I really don’t like the new body, so that also helped me make my decision. Many of the CP4 failures for the GM crowd were not covered by the warranty.

The ISX has had the scissor timing gear for a while, but their duty cycle is far different than that of a pickup truck.

For only a 20K trade in I’d sell the 06 private party.

 

[SnoKing]

I thought GM covered the CP4.2 failures, and Ford was another story, blaming the owners for bad fuel.

 

[AH64ID]

I thought GM covered the CP4.2 failures, has Ford was another story, blaming the owners for bad fuel.

The research I did showed otherwise, and often failures were out of the warranty period.

The CP4 has earned the nickname “time bomb”, which makes it a pump I don’t want.

 

[Cummins12V98]

I thought GM covered the CP4.2 failures, and Ford was another story, blaming the owners for bad fuel.

True story!

 

[AH64ID]

Ford defiantly didn’t cover the failures, it seems GM covered more of them than ford. Either way, too many failures to keep using it. Both GM and Ford have class action law suits filed against them over the pump.

 

[TFucili]

The CP4 is a big concern of mine, too. I'd like to think Cummins addressed it going in, but big companies are big companies. I'm in analysis paralysis mode.

 

[jgillott]

The CP4 is a big concern of mine, too. I'd like to think Cummins addressed it going in, but big companies are big companies. I'm in analysis paralysis mode.

Agreed.....where the bottom line is more important than the final product. Now with that said, I have no idea if the CP4.2 is cheaper than the CP3 or if it is used for some other reason.

 

[SnoKing]

Ford defiantly didn’t cover the failures, it seems GM covered more of them than ford. Either way, too many failures to keep using it. Both GM and Ford have class action law suits filed against them over the pump.

And GM no longer uses the CP4.2, and has a Japanese pump now.

 

[SnoKing]

And GM no longer uses the CP4.2, and has a Japanese pump now.

Bosch would not pay Edlebrock patent fees for their method of keeping the roller piston from turning in the bore. The roller gets turned sideways to the cam lobe and pump eats it's self up.

 

[SAP2018]

I myself would buy a 18...I did, I will be more willing to part with my awesome looking 18’ with a CP3 when the ACTUAL 5th gen 2500/3500 comes out.

 

[TCDiesel]

The CP4 is a Non-issue many will have the conversion kits available Late 2019, Sooner if the Market allows.

I'm waiting for the Non-external EGR....Late 2020?

 

[Newsa]

When I bought my 2013 - 2500, I did not do any research on the truck until after I bought it. I only chose ram because of the manual transmission.

If you know about the ticking time bomb, CP4.2, and still buy the truck because it has a 100k/5 year warranty, you deserve what you get. Maybe FCA will fix it under warranty. Maybe they will claim your fuel destroyed the pump?

Let the people who don't know about the pump (a pump that can take out everything downstream of it and leave you or FCA with a $10-$12,000 bill) spend $50k-$80k on it. Maybe they redesigned the weak part of it, but I doubt it.

The pump doesn't last because it doesn't get enough cooling (lower vol flowing through) and lubrication (ULSD means less lubricity).

Wait 2-3 years to see how many failures arise and if FCA will take responsibility.

 

[TFucili]

Agreed.....where the bottom line is more important than the final product. Now with that said, I have no idea if the CP4.2 is cheaper than the CP3 or if it is used for some other reason.

I was told the CP4 is sustantially, like 30%, cheaper than the CP3, so...

 

[TFucili]

And GM no longer uses the CP4.2, and has a Japanese pump now.

I have read that the Denso setup is far from trouble free. Pretty discouraging when trucks cost what they do.