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Do I need a CDL????

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It is difficult if you do not have access to a road tractor, now you have to go to a formal school. I have been there done that in the 90s when I had my permits, with endorsements, put in a year of off/on practical driving with friends that were in the business and was going to get my CDL at that time but could not nail down a tractor for the drive test. I do not want to deal with it again and / or have to pay and attend a school for once twice a year hauling materials. I do not drive for a living nor care to anymore.
 
In TX you can get your CDL in any vehicle that requires a CDL to operate. IOW, a pickup with a gooseneck will suffice. That is how Harvey Barlow, who you may remember, got his.
 
It is difficult if you do not have access to a road tractor, now you have to go to a formal school. I have been there done that in the 90s when I had my permits, with endorsements, put in a year of off/on practical driving with friends that were in the business and was going to get my CDL at that time but could not nail down a tractor for the drive test. I do not want to deal with it again and / or have to pay and attend a school for once twice a year hauling materials. I do not drive for a living nor care to anymore.


I’ll agree if classroom school is required that it’s become an onerous burden. Otherwise, it’s a written test and a checkride with a state inspector. I’d inquire more closely before calling it closed. The penalties aren’t just money.

The “problem” with a CTD is that it’s very easy to get above 30k, be scale house legal, and all seems well. Being at 26.5 wouldn’t worry me if that’s lightest I can get same exact equipment moved every time. (Special plea).

The gooseneck flatbeds we used in the oilfield were steel pigs weighing far more than they should have had they been of quality design & manufacture. Weren’t many state scales in hotshot work. It was the new generation of portable scales carried by DOT was the problem.

Better have a CAT Scale ticket in hand from the commencement of that move. Every time.

I wouldn’t buy any trailer without first putting it on a scale. It’s my first trip in any vehicle new to me to head to the truckstop, fill it, and put it on the CAT Scale. Too much rides on knowing true numbers, not just weight violation problems. TARE weight.

“Right” trailer will be of alloy or aluminum that weighs less and is stronger. Just have to pay for that. My son about had a heart attack I pointed him at EBY brand manufacture for a 14’ tilt/dump. Said, “do a line-by-line comparison” as one needs to start from top to understand “best”. Then he saw that savings on a cheaper brand wasn’t quite true.

The days of running around the scale houses are gone as the routes are well-known. Sensors everywhere. Repeated bypass will catch up to that guy. And just because the scale is closed doesn’t mean the computers are asleep. Or that the bypass routes aren’t now festooned with 10T Load Restricted bridges. (Etc).

Repeated pattern of violations is what gets truck firms into hot water. State & Federal score cards.

— Avoiding CDL because don’t want to have to maintain Medical and give up boozing, ‘mokin dope and “borrowing” the kids Adderall for a long day don’t cut it.

Pattern of CDL avoidance AND avoidance of medical can turn into jail time real quick. If result of an accident it won’t matter who was at fault.

Whether or not one “agrees” with licensure & restrictions is moot.

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Slowmover, I agree with what you are saying,.. I will look more next week, but here in NC they have made it difficult to get a CDL. I never gave it much thought personally for my own stuff until I was researching for where I work as to what we had to do to stay under the CDL requirements, and our current trailers (all less than 9K) and we have 2500 RAMs so both under 10k so all is well.. FWIW, MY old 04 (555/NV5600) was rated at 10500 (4:10 RAR) if memory serves so with my 5er that total back then was 26000 right on the dot.. now I'm higher with the RV but my 25' GN is 12k rated so its OK, that is why I need to call the trailer mfg and see if they would de-rate the dump to 13k and then all's well. (12300 + 13000 = 25300) Not going to be hauling heavy, just want the size.
 
Slowmover, I agree with what you are saying,.. I will look more next week, but here in NC they have made it difficult to get a CDL. I never gave it much thought personally for my own stuff until I was researching for where I work as to what we had to do to stay under the CDL requirements, and our current trailers (all less than 9K) and we have 2500 RAMs so both under 10k so all is well.. FWIW, MY old 04 (555/NV5600) was rated at 10500 (4:10 RAR) if memory serves so with my 5er that total back then was 26000 right on the dot.. now I'm higher with the RV but my 25' GN is 12k rated so its OK, that is why I need to call the trailer mfg and see if they would de-rate the dump to 13k and then all's well. (12300 + 13000 = 25300) Not going to be hauling heavy, just want the size.


  • Vehicle rating is more a tax & insurance thing. CDL is generally when combined weight exceeds 26,001-lbs. One can run around in a high rate vehicle and so long as he’s under 26k, no matter (details apply). State will specify what’s necessary.
    • Reason for CDL was to cut down confusion among states.

    • My 2500 is rated by manufacturer 9k. Tow rating 12k or 20k combined.

    • But legal limit is tire/wheel/axle rating which would be 11k. That’s what would matter at the scale house. I’d max out at about 32k given GN hitch.

    • Unless I was for hire, I’d be alright to that number.
  • Plenty of guys in Texas running livestock to/from the sale barn get fined. Same for midnight hot shot. Licensure plus meets commercial carrier regulations.
  • That last part is the real key. Wouldn’t be a good thing if old Joe went and got him a truck and started hauling freight, now would it ?(barriers to entry).
The foreign invaders get breaks in this as in all else. Successful truck firms they ain’t
 
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bc, what trailer did you order?

I was going to PM you a few days ago and get your opinion as the dump trailer expert. I made a DA to decide against all the models I looked at and given my usage (big remodel job) and unsure future usage; I decided to go with Kaufman's 15K 7x14 dump... It is very basic but seems to be decently built for the cost.. They build them here in NC about 45 min from my house and there are tons of them everywhere in use here. I also visited and looked at JobSite which builds them almost next door to Kaufman, they were almost the same and also can custom build which I am still considering as they will build me one in 3~4 weeks.

I also looked at Kraftsman another local builder, but they only build flatbeds here in NC,.. they sell Lamar, and HT, and Hawke, I looked at them onsite all as well as PJ and Big Tex, but for my limited usage I felt like the Kaufman or Jobsite fit the need without blowing out the budget. After my reno is done I will either keep it or sell it, but it is much better value to purchase and use for a couple years, than to rent one as needed; as far as ROI is concerned. (and used trailers are stupid expensive for clapped out equipment out here).

Fast Forward to today, I am investigating about lowering the rating, So that makes it legal on paper for me and capable as well. I am not going to spend the same money on a 6x12 and have less volume just to get under 12k. Plus my compact tractor will not fit in less than 14'.
 
Forgot to mention that all those trailers in 7x14 range weighed in at or around 4k so they all had about or very near 5T of load capacity. Interesting thing I found kicking tires was that the PJ and Big Tex were the only ones that had a formed 8"x13# I beam frame and the PJ actually had a KTI pump inside that said "BIG TEX" on it.. Made me wonder if Big Tex was making them for PJ...

The Jobsite trailer had a heavy duty frame (2x8x3/8) tube and KTI pump and cylinder, the only thing I didn't like was the floor was 3 pieces of 7ga, the Kaufman is a one piece floor but the lift mech I need to follow up on next week,
 
  • Vehicle rating is more a tax & insurance thing. CDL is generally when combined weight exceeds 26,001-lbs. One can run around in a high rate vehicle and so long as he’s under 26k, no matter (details apply). State will specify what’s necessary.

Totally untrue. CDL requirements are based on GVWRs and GCWRs only. If I tow an empty gooseneck rated over 15,500 pounds I wouldn't be anywhere near 26,000 pounds actual weight yet I would need a CDL. It doesn't matter which state I am in.
 
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If I were starting or buying for a business I would consider a Diamond C or Lamar more deeply as they seem to be well built. Just cannot find a justification for almost 2x investment for the few times / year I'll actually use it. Same reason I did not buy a new GN trailer, just could not justify the cost to let it sit in the woods for the 1/2 dozen times a year I use it.
 
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