A Drug Problem

[Champane Flight]

When?

Since when did they have a good name?



I think that respect is needed in a school enviroment, but respect is earned. If a teacher is fair and firm, it will lead to a better student. Beating at every turn does not help either. If a child is raised by wolves, chances are he is not going to excel in a normal enviroment.

 

[Deezul1]

Thanks Drawson, that was a good post even if some folks take it some where else it wasnt meant to be. I liked it a LOT.

 

[Mike Ellis]

I disagree CF. A child OWES respect to all elders on first contact. Respect can certainly be lost by a teacher, but parents should demand their children be respectful to adults of all persuasions. There should be a heck of a lot more "Yes, sir", "No, sir", "Yes, ma'am", "No, ma'am", "please", and "thank you".



And even if respect is lost, they should display courtesy and obey the classroom rules anyway. Over the years I had a lot of teachers that I felt were ill-equipped to teach their subject, this loss of respect did NOT lead me to abuse them in their own classroom. I believe all children should treat their teachers with respect and/or courtesy. Same thing goes for police, military officers, boss at work, the lady at the supermarket checkout, you name it. People need to learn how to be civil again.



As for the being raised by wolves bit, I will cheerfully point out that thousands of generations were raised under the concept that kids "will behave or else"... including your generation ... . and did just fine. It remains to be seen whether the new ideas put into place in our educational system will work as well - we will know in about 50 years.

 

[illflem]

Downward spiral of drug use-

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/downward.html

 

[merryman]

The pictures posted by illflem are no exageration. I have watched the same people come to court over the years and seen this kind of deterioation. Sometimes it would be hard to belive it was the person I had been dealing with for years. I had a collection of "mug" shots of the same guy taken over about 10 years, and they showed every bit as much chang. I happened to have photos of this guy because we were trying to make an attempted murder charge on him-------my murder!

He was so far gone on drugs that he never actually made the attempt, but we had good indication he was going to and wanted to catch him in the act. It made for a real interesting month, till one night he was too high and wandered across the center line of the highway and an eighteen wheeler solved our problem--permantly.



Vaughn

 

[Champane Flight]

Agreed

I happen to agree with you Mike. But, I think you are confusing respect with basic courtesys. Respect to me is kin to a mental attitude, where as "I hold the greatest respect for him". In that case courtesy can be shown and contempt held. All children should use basic courtesy for everyone around them.



I think that a good whoopin is needed in every childs life. But, never in anger. I used to spank my kids, but would always give myself plenty of time to calm down before. Hard to do when you find them sliding down the wooden floored hallway in their underwear with two gallons of vegatable oil!!!!!! Extra work/chores was my favorite deterant.

 

[illflem]

My daughter was suspended from school in 10th grade for basically being in the wrong place at the wrong time. During her 5 day suspension I made her prune apple trees in a foot of snow at 20 degrees. She was paid. Her school counselor couldn't believe it, said most parents don't do anything and the kids just look at suspension as a free vacation.

When the few times for corporal punishment came around I always saved it till right before bed, never in the heat of the moment. Think it might have made it more effective since I would remind them thoughout the day about the upcoming whipping.

Sort of like being on death row.