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Fast3er,
following your logic of filtration why not just throw sand down the fill tube and let it be filtered out. By-pass filters do not instantly remove the s,aller particles. Only a small portionof the oil is by-passed at any one time. Being an Amsoil salseman I thought you would know this. By-pass filtration is not in real time.
Gene,
oil topics are kinda on my mind lately after the thrashing I took from the use of Amsoil. I have been reading up on how all this stuff works. Calling manufacturers and OEM's to get the low down,etc. while I have had 25 private messages and e-mails from guys fromthe Ford side and the TDR I cant tell you that one of them is passing me info.
I dont know anything about guys getting slapped. Please tell me what happened. Im kinda new to Diesel and oil and have learned a ton in the last few months. More than I ever thought I might.
Wayne,
after I went and checked you actually do post on more than just oil related topics. For the incorrect statement by me that you dont... I was wrong.
Steve,
Really? 145 thats a ton of typing. Maybe in some of the words you will find some info. Its there.
Dee,
the By-passs filter will change your results drastically. Pull that dude off and I would be more than willing to do the deal. I will run old Premium Blue and you can run the Amsoil. I gotta dump mine at 2000 miles max though. Can you dump yours that fast.
Gene again,
why do you always think something is fishy with me? You say that on dern near every post on Amsoil. Nothings up. Im not anyone from the past or whatever. Check the archives you will only find me happy to be using Amsoil engine oil until the leaks started and the API thing was learned.
Everyone,
If you truly believe that Asmoil will last past the factory specified drain interval in an overfueled engine and that extending oil drains past that set forth from DC is ok, I cant and wont be able to add any more proof the practice is not prudent. Do what you want.
Don~
following your logic of filtration why not just throw sand down the fill tube and let it be filtered out. By-pass filters do not instantly remove the s,aller particles. Only a small portionof the oil is by-passed at any one time. Being an Amsoil salseman I thought you would know this. By-pass filtration is not in real time.
Gene,
oil topics are kinda on my mind lately after the thrashing I took from the use of Amsoil. I have been reading up on how all this stuff works. Calling manufacturers and OEM's to get the low down,etc. while I have had 25 private messages and e-mails from guys fromthe Ford side and the TDR I cant tell you that one of them is passing me info.
I dont know anything about guys getting slapped. Please tell me what happened. Im kinda new to Diesel and oil and have learned a ton in the last few months. More than I ever thought I might.
Wayne,
after I went and checked you actually do post on more than just oil related topics. For the incorrect statement by me that you dont... I was wrong.
Steve,
Really? 145 thats a ton of typing. Maybe in some of the words you will find some info. Its there.
Dee,
the By-passs filter will change your results drastically. Pull that dude off and I would be more than willing to do the deal. I will run old Premium Blue and you can run the Amsoil. I gotta dump mine at 2000 miles max though. Can you dump yours that fast.
Gene again,
why do you always think something is fishy with me? You say that on dern near every post on Amsoil. Nothings up. Im not anyone from the past or whatever. Check the archives you will only find me happy to be using Amsoil engine oil until the leaks started and the API thing was learned.
Everyone,
If you truly believe that Asmoil will last past the factory specified drain interval in an overfueled engine and that extending oil drains past that set forth from DC is ok, I cant and wont be able to add any more proof the practice is not prudent. Do what you want.
Don~
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Don, I will disable my bypass for that short time, How long before that 2000 miles is met??? I'll order my oil in the AM. I should have my #4 on Monday or tuesday.
Tell us about your turbo if not here on the thread you started after the install... .
I kind of like checking these kind of things out on my(our) own. Thats why I sent Joe D. the AmsOil gear lube for his test.
Tell us about your turbo if not here on the thread you started after the install... .
I kind of like checking these kind of things out on my(our) own. Thats why I sent Joe D. the AmsOil gear lube for his test.
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Dee,
I am dumping the Rotella in the AM and going with Premium blue. I will be racking up some serious miles fast starting this next week. I gotta go make some cash. Gotta drive lotsa miles to do it.
The biggest problem with our little test is that 2000 miles of driving is gonna be tough to get a high soot number. Thats why I want to dump it sooo fast. I dont want it in there for too long. It would be so informal it might not even really be practical. I will try anything to convince a few people that extended drains are suicide for heavy fueled engines. 2000 miles prolly wont cut it though. Please report back the results of the latest tests you just had done.
Vaughn,
Ok, your data looks pretty good to me on its face... do you know the type of test they did? Less than 1% is very low. What made you think to ask the analyzers to do a soot percentage test?
No one ever seems to do it that is why I ask. I did not do it the few times I had mine done.
Now I know and others have learned to watch it as well. Win Win.
My understanding is that the older spec will be covered by the newer spec for the higher soot handling requirement.
Everyone,
Does it not make you wonder everytime you pick up the bottle if the Amsoil has changed from tweaking, if the specs from all the engine makers claimed to be met on the back are still met without testing of the new mix or formula?
The Cummins and MACK tests cost big time bucks to perform alone. I know that Amsoil is not performing a Cummins durability test, a MACK test, a Caterpillar test, a Mercedes Benz test, a Volvo test, etc, etc. eveytime they tweak the formula, but without the test being done how are you gonna know the oil is actually gonna pass the tests and requirements? You dont and the manufacturers know this too.
The API is there for your assurance the oil is consistant and in the bottle is the same oil that was used to perform the qualifying tests that the manufacturers used.
Im not saying Asmoil is junk oil. Im not! Im saying that without the tests being done for evey tweak made we dont know if they will pass or not. Why cant they just pay the dern fee and get the license?
Don~
I am dumping the Rotella in the AM and going with Premium blue. I will be racking up some serious miles fast starting this next week. I gotta go make some cash. Gotta drive lotsa miles to do it.
The biggest problem with our little test is that 2000 miles of driving is gonna be tough to get a high soot number. Thats why I want to dump it sooo fast. I dont want it in there for too long. It would be so informal it might not even really be practical. I will try anything to convince a few people that extended drains are suicide for heavy fueled engines. 2000 miles prolly wont cut it though. Please report back the results of the latest tests you just had done.
Vaughn,
Ok, your data looks pretty good to me on its face... do you know the type of test they did? Less than 1% is very low. What made you think to ask the analyzers to do a soot percentage test?
No one ever seems to do it that is why I ask. I did not do it the few times I had mine done.
Now I know and others have learned to watch it as well. Win Win.
My understanding is that the older spec will be covered by the newer spec for the higher soot handling requirement.
Everyone,
Does it not make you wonder everytime you pick up the bottle if the Amsoil has changed from tweaking, if the specs from all the engine makers claimed to be met on the back are still met without testing of the new mix or formula?
The Cummins and MACK tests cost big time bucks to perform alone. I know that Amsoil is not performing a Cummins durability test, a MACK test, a Caterpillar test, a Mercedes Benz test, a Volvo test, etc, etc. eveytime they tweak the formula, but without the test being done how are you gonna know the oil is actually gonna pass the tests and requirements? You dont and the manufacturers know this too.
The API is there for your assurance the oil is consistant and in the bottle is the same oil that was used to perform the qualifying tests that the manufacturers used.
Im not saying Asmoil is junk oil. Im not! Im saying that without the tests being done for evey tweak made we dont know if they will pass or not. Why cant they just pay the dern fee and get the license?
Don~
Don,
I want to adresss a few points you brought up.
One, you said bypass filters can't take the soot out. Then, to another member posted his soot count and you said his analaysis was skewed cause the soot was trapped in the element. Explain that to me. That tells me it's working.
next, you think you cannot do extended drains cause the soot developement of some of these engines. Then oil analaysis does not back up your statement, but your explanation is that it doesn't remove it as fast as it's being produced. "It's not real time" as you put it. With that analogy, it evidently doesn't get too far behind according to thousands of oil analaysis reports. And if your analogy were correct, that you were producing soo much soot, it wouldn't matter what oil you were running or what filters, or what interval you were running. IOWS, you would soot up from the first instance you started the truck. Think about this for a minute, if 10k mile oil change intervals showed with bypass filtration that the soot had not accumulaed to any amount, just how fast is it being developed? I mean you say it can't clean the oil up fast enough, right? What did the guy do? Run is filter without running the engine to clean it up before he sampled?
If this is what was happening in your engine. would it matter when you changed it? Youd have to change it everyday. At least with a bypass filter and filtering as slow as you think, it's at least removing some of it, instead of running with it for a full "Short" interval.
For the record, the Amsoil bypass filters 5 quart in 5 minutes at 45 mph.
You have an issue with Amsoil and you are trying to make a point, but you are going to have to admit when you are just making stuff up. Show us oil analysis reports that back up any of your statements. I can show you dozens I have on file to the contrary, with many different oils, from Shell to Royal Purple, to Amsoil. Some with Bypass filtration, some without. These engines just aren't the old dirty diesels you seem to beleive they are.
Bob
I want to adresss a few points you brought up.
One, you said bypass filters can't take the soot out. Then, to another member posted his soot count and you said his analaysis was skewed cause the soot was trapped in the element. Explain that to me. That tells me it's working.
next, you think you cannot do extended drains cause the soot developement of some of these engines. Then oil analaysis does not back up your statement, but your explanation is that it doesn't remove it as fast as it's being produced. "It's not real time" as you put it. With that analogy, it evidently doesn't get too far behind according to thousands of oil analaysis reports. And if your analogy were correct, that you were producing soo much soot, it wouldn't matter what oil you were running or what filters, or what interval you were running. IOWS, you would soot up from the first instance you started the truck. Think about this for a minute, if 10k mile oil change intervals showed with bypass filtration that the soot had not accumulaed to any amount, just how fast is it being developed? I mean you say it can't clean the oil up fast enough, right? What did the guy do? Run is filter without running the engine to clean it up before he sampled?
If this is what was happening in your engine. would it matter when you changed it? Youd have to change it everyday. At least with a bypass filter and filtering as slow as you think, it's at least removing some of it, instead of running with it for a full "Short" interval.
For the record, the Amsoil bypass filters 5 quart in 5 minutes at 45 mph.
You have an issue with Amsoil and you are trying to make a point, but you are going to have to admit when you are just making stuff up. Show us oil analysis reports that back up any of your statements. I can show you dozens I have on file to the contrary, with many different oils, from Shell to Royal Purple, to Amsoil. Some with Bypass filtration, some without. These engines just aren't the old dirty diesels you seem to beleive they are.
Bob
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Diesel freak,
Why do you tell us to get a life, then promptly post again!??!?!!?LOL!
Glass house... ... ... stones... ... ... .
To sum up... ...
Don says Amsoil 15-40 and 5-30 Diesel oils are not API certified.
He is correct.
However, he has NO PROOF WHATSOEVER that they do not meet or exceed API specs like Amsoil syas they do.
He also insists that extended drains will ruin your engine and void your warranty.
Once again, he has NO PROOF WHATSOEVER that this has ever happened.
Dons entire argument is based on what COULD happen, not at what IS happening in the real world.
Everytime he has been confronted with hard facts, he buries them with another 10 paragraphs of what could happen, even though it isn't, and has not in Amsoil's 30 year history.
Go figure.
Gene
Why do you tell us to get a life, then promptly post again!??!?!!?LOL!
Glass house... ... ... stones... ... ... .
To sum up... ...
Don says Amsoil 15-40 and 5-30 Diesel oils are not API certified.
He is correct.
However, he has NO PROOF WHATSOEVER that they do not meet or exceed API specs like Amsoil syas they do.
He also insists that extended drains will ruin your engine and void your warranty.
Once again, he has NO PROOF WHATSOEVER that this has ever happened.
Dons entire argument is based on what COULD happen, not at what IS happening in the real world.
Everytime he has been confronted with hard facts, he buries them with another 10 paragraphs of what could happen, even though it isn't, and has not in Amsoil's 30 year history.
Go figure.
Gene
yeah Don, what Gene said
Thanks for backing me up Bill!
I did not expect that from you!
Trust
Decisions we all make regarding vehicles comes down to judgement and trust. Most of us, IMO, bought our trucks because of the Cummins. We trusted the Cummins Engine Company to build us a good, reliable engine that makes tons of power. Why? Reputation. Companies can't buy a good reputation, they have to earn it. When I first heard Dodge was planning to install Cummins engines, it was from a guy I worked with. He said "why would they want to put a million mile engine in a throwaway truck". That is a good example of reputation in action.
Motor oil is not different in this respect. Amsoil is a company with a long history. There are plenty of people out there with positive, personal experiences with their products.
I put Amsoil in my engine because I trust them. They have nothing to gain by changing their formulations for the worse, and everything to lose, as discussed above. API certification would not change my opinion on this. The fact is that I, for one, am tired of the whining of those against extended drains accompanied with oil analysis. If you don't like Amsoil or extended drains, fine, but stop telling those of us that do go this route that we are stupid and need your guidance. I can assure you we do not.
Decisions we all make regarding vehicles comes down to judgement and trust. Most of us, IMO, bought our trucks because of the Cummins. We trusted the Cummins Engine Company to build us a good, reliable engine that makes tons of power. Why? Reputation. Companies can't buy a good reputation, they have to earn it. When I first heard Dodge was planning to install Cummins engines, it was from a guy I worked with. He said "why would they want to put a million mile engine in a throwaway truck". That is a good example of reputation in action.
Motor oil is not different in this respect. Amsoil is a company with a long history. There are plenty of people out there with positive, personal experiences with their products.
I put Amsoil in my engine because I trust them. They have nothing to gain by changing their formulations for the worse, and everything to lose, as discussed above. API certification would not change my opinion on this. The fact is that I, for one, am tired of the whining of those against extended drains accompanied with oil analysis. If you don't like Amsoil or extended drains, fine, but stop telling those of us that do go this route that we are stupid and need your guidance. I can assure you we do not.
Anybody ever hear of a company named ENRON. They were the 7th largest company in the USA. Stock was worth close to $90. 00 per share last year. Now it is worth 67 cents a share. I know that this is hard to believe but they lied about what they were doing to line their own pockets. I for one don't have the time or resources to prove if a company is doing the right thing. I think it is up to the COMPANY to prove that to US. Gene you are confirming that this oil is not API certified. Now explain why I should take a chance with my Cummins engine on a noncertified oil that Dodge/Cummins says should not be used in my truck? Please do not take this as a flame. I am not a chemical engineer, just a wary consumer.
I had to add my 2 cents worth now, What a post! It was interesting to say the least. I do hope through all this there are no hard feelings, we are after all just talkiing about trucks and oil! I have been using syn. oil and Amsoil for 8years. I have had test done at various times on the regular oil and amsoil. The amsoil consistently came back showing much better numbers so I eventually switched all my vehicles over. My 93 Jeep saw an increase in milage of 1-2 mpg. The Dodge I have has 110,000mi on it now and the engine is in like new condittion and doesnt leakoil. Oh not one of my 4 vehicles leaks oil except my 40 GMC and it has a right to leak! The last car I sold to my Son-in-Law had amsoil put in at about 180,000mi and he just wrecked it still running with 412,000mi. It was a VW Jetta. So you see why I believe a lot of us use Amsoil is that there are tons of consumers out there with similar experience. They tell there friends and there you have it. Pretty simple it works. amsoil has no reason to build a product that is not contiually being improved. I will use and recommend it to anyone without reservation. Dave
DaveD,
Thank you for reinforcing my point... ... . products earn reputations.
Thank you for reinforcing my point... ... . products earn reputations.
Bob Riley,
The statement I made was not that by-pass filters do not work. My statement was that by-pass filtration does not work good enough for manufacturers to get behind the extended oil drain intervals. Dodge, Ford, and Chevy still do not have these extended oil drain intervals for their vehicles. After the 30 years of Amsoil trying to pound the argument home to them they still wont do it. Why? OEM's spend millins of bucks to get longer engine life. Internal engine componenets are changed for more durability and major testing is always involved.
Example: in 1994 when Cummins went to the in-line pump from Bosch many changes like: piston rings moved up closer to the top of the piston, camshaft material went from chilled iron to chilled ductile iron, tappets had their faces hardened. These changes were not cheap nor easy. The tooling alone for an all new piston design must have been a very expensive endeavor alone.
These are just a few of the hundreds of changes the engine makers do to all types of engines on a routine basis. Cummins wants an engine that will last longer and be more affordable than the Navistar. They go back and forth trying to improve designs.
If extended oil drains worked satisfactorily to the OEM's for our engine types dont you think they would do it? It would be cheaper and many more times cost effective than designing a new cylinder head with twice as many valves as was done in 98. 5.
BR wrote: "For the record, the Amsoil bypass filters 5 quart in 5 minutes at 45 mph"
at what efficiency for what particle size? At what final drive ratio? At what viscosity? These are all way too wide rangeing to make a broad statement like that and have it mean a dern thing. I have said in the past that by-pass filtration is better than fullflow and could extend engine life if the oil was changed at proper intervals specified by the OEM's. I still believe there is not any barrier type of by-pass filter out there that will keep the oil in perfect shape for the crazy drain intervals I see guys doing. You sell propane and after-market peformance parts right? Do you go around to the overfueling crowd and tell them that extended oil drain intervals are a good thing? I betcha' do! Against all the data from the OEM's on stock engines, never mind the hopped up ones, Bob Riley and Asmoil know better than they. Wake up Bob!
Gene,
Post a statement that has good data not junk science or gwet out of the discussion.
Riflesmith, I still feel you could be cured from your amsoholic disease more than the rest of these guys. If you trust Cummins enough to build you one of the best engines in a small truck why dont you trust their long, expensive and on-going data that backs up the fact that extended oil drains are NOT the thing to do for the B series in our trucks. Did you know the B series in our trucks is not internaly the same as the B series in the watercraft. Its not just a tuned down marine engine. The engine was produced using cheaper and less expensive components, not just tuned down. Materials are different in many B series. They may look the same on the outside and fit in the same hole, but they are not the same inside. DC knows this and they have oil drain data to back it up.
Amsoil is making a claim that the engine oil will pass the tests without doing the tests. They are saying the oil will meet about 10 different specs and the formula changes and the tests are not repeated to verify. Further, Amsoil will not let a third part certifying company like the API audit their proceedures. WE do not know if Amsoil is meeting or exceeding the minimum except they say it does. That is not good enough for me.
Dave,
there are plenty of smokers out there too that have yet to die from the effects of cigarette smoke. We have some pretty good data that it can kill ya. Yet people still do it. Make an argument that is based on data not an emotionally colored paragraph. You can have all the family members and friends you want infected with the amsoholic disease. Its your life.
Don~
The statement I made was not that by-pass filters do not work. My statement was that by-pass filtration does not work good enough for manufacturers to get behind the extended oil drain intervals. Dodge, Ford, and Chevy still do not have these extended oil drain intervals for their vehicles. After the 30 years of Amsoil trying to pound the argument home to them they still wont do it. Why? OEM's spend millins of bucks to get longer engine life. Internal engine componenets are changed for more durability and major testing is always involved.
Example: in 1994 when Cummins went to the in-line pump from Bosch many changes like: piston rings moved up closer to the top of the piston, camshaft material went from chilled iron to chilled ductile iron, tappets had their faces hardened. These changes were not cheap nor easy. The tooling alone for an all new piston design must have been a very expensive endeavor alone.
These are just a few of the hundreds of changes the engine makers do to all types of engines on a routine basis. Cummins wants an engine that will last longer and be more affordable than the Navistar. They go back and forth trying to improve designs.
If extended oil drains worked satisfactorily to the OEM's for our engine types dont you think they would do it? It would be cheaper and many more times cost effective than designing a new cylinder head with twice as many valves as was done in 98. 5.
BR wrote: "For the record, the Amsoil bypass filters 5 quart in 5 minutes at 45 mph"
at what efficiency for what particle size? At what final drive ratio? At what viscosity? These are all way too wide rangeing to make a broad statement like that and have it mean a dern thing. I have said in the past that by-pass filtration is better than fullflow and could extend engine life if the oil was changed at proper intervals specified by the OEM's. I still believe there is not any barrier type of by-pass filter out there that will keep the oil in perfect shape for the crazy drain intervals I see guys doing. You sell propane and after-market peformance parts right? Do you go around to the overfueling crowd and tell them that extended oil drain intervals are a good thing? I betcha' do! Against all the data from the OEM's on stock engines, never mind the hopped up ones, Bob Riley and Asmoil know better than they. Wake up Bob!
Gene,
Post a statement that has good data not junk science or gwet out of the discussion.
Riflesmith, I still feel you could be cured from your amsoholic disease more than the rest of these guys. If you trust Cummins enough to build you one of the best engines in a small truck why dont you trust their long, expensive and on-going data that backs up the fact that extended oil drains are NOT the thing to do for the B series in our trucks. Did you know the B series in our trucks is not internaly the same as the B series in the watercraft. Its not just a tuned down marine engine. The engine was produced using cheaper and less expensive components, not just tuned down. Materials are different in many B series. They may look the same on the outside and fit in the same hole, but they are not the same inside. DC knows this and they have oil drain data to back it up.
Amsoil is making a claim that the engine oil will pass the tests without doing the tests. They are saying the oil will meet about 10 different specs and the formula changes and the tests are not repeated to verify. Further, Amsoil will not let a third part certifying company like the API audit their proceedures. WE do not know if Amsoil is meeting or exceeding the minimum except they say it does. That is not good enough for me.
Dave,
there are plenty of smokers out there too that have yet to die from the effects of cigarette smoke. We have some pretty good data that it can kill ya. Yet people still do it. Make an argument that is based on data not an emotionally colored paragraph. You can have all the family members and friends you want infected with the amsoholic disease. Its your life.
Don~
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I bought amsoil for my truck because I have heard of no one having a bad experience with them.
It's hard to find a company that you can't find bad press on.
It's hard to find a company that you can't find bad press on.
Mark,
You bought oil on the advice of others that is not API certified? I gotta know, did you know that Amsoil was not API certified for the oil that you use? I did not know myself until about two weeks ago. Bob Riley the guy that has built an enterprise selling the stuff did not know either. He told me that it was. He read it off the bottle like tons of others have done too. Of course the wording was tricky and seems to be there for poeple to think its certified.
Do you do perform extended oil drains with an overfueled truck?
Don~
You bought oil on the advice of others that is not API certified? I gotta know, did you know that Amsoil was not API certified for the oil that you use? I did not know myself until about two weeks ago. Bob Riley the guy that has built an enterprise selling the stuff did not know either. He told me that it was. He read it off the bottle like tons of others have done too. Of course the wording was tricky and seems to be there for poeple to think its certified.
Do you do perform extended oil drains with an overfueled truck?
Don~
Oh, I am quite awake.
Amsoil never pounded to OEMs to buy such a concept. Why hasn't OEMs bought into bypass filtration and extended drains? Cause it take a consumer who takes oil analysis and has some knowlege and takes more care than simply changing oil at 3k miles. You know that. The smoke is laid so thick, your hoping no one will try to look thru it. Amsoil has always and always will cater to the individual that does his own work, the truck lines who have a maintenance mided individual, etc, not the OEMs, or the huge truck lines that can't spend time on an individual truck.
I beleive GM does indeed have a part number for a Gulf Coast filter now.
How can it be better, and not work? How can you explain that many guys oil analysis using many different oils show it works. Cause your opinion says it can't?
The thing about bypass filtration is it takes an individual look at each truck and the aplication to decide just how often you change the filter. If you are running a super fueled truck, you might have to change the filter soner than a stock truck, but the oil is still fine if the oil stays clean.
Have you ever even had an oil analysis done? Have you ever done an extended drain with any oil? If you haven't, you cannot speak with any authority. If you have, let's see some numbers from your oil analysis. The unfounded statements you make are getting old. Lets see the facts I keep asking for. Many members on here alone have showed you their numbers and you tell them it's not posible.
Bob
Don, You didnt read or chose to ignore what I said! I have done oil analysis for the last 5years on all my cars!!!!!!! I dont have the sampled as often no because the results are the same . They come back with little contaminitsn and wear. If you took the time to read my post you would have known that. I have a personal proven testimony of amsoil and syn. oil in general whats your Beef? Dave
"You can have all the family members and friends you want infected with the amsoholic disease. Its your life. "
Don,
Telling me to get out of the discussion, then posting a sentance like this is shows your true colors once again.
What proof... ... ... les see here... ... .
1972, Amsoil hits the market with a motor oil telling people to run 25,000 miles.
It will fail the doomsdayers cry!
But it didn't.
They then raised it it to 35,000 miles.
No other oil company that I know of tells you to abuse their product like that. Because they know they can not take it, and they have no interest in extending drains. And it is not for the good of the consumer, I promise you that.
This is not junk science, this is 30 years of doing things the right way.
You are trying to sound scientific asking all these detailed questions (that somebody fed you(??)) that don't really mean anything. An old politicians trick. Then when they are answered, you pick them apart and try to make them sound wrong, or chnage the subject.
Once again I will point out that you have no intentions of fixing your problems, or educate yourself, but every intention of trying to do a company harm by taking little bits of truth and trying to manufacture harmful information out of it.
I have yet to see any evidence that Amsoil has caused harm to anybodys engine.
Although I have seen lots of sample results that show Amsoil is doing just fine in peoples engines.
Maybe you could help me out here, Don, and explain to me why that is?
Gene
Don,
Telling me to get out of the discussion, then posting a sentance like this is shows your true colors once again.
What proof... ... ... les see here... ... .
1972, Amsoil hits the market with a motor oil telling people to run 25,000 miles.
It will fail the doomsdayers cry!
But it didn't.
They then raised it it to 35,000 miles.
No other oil company that I know of tells you to abuse their product like that. Because they know they can not take it, and they have no interest in extending drains. And it is not for the good of the consumer, I promise you that.
This is not junk science, this is 30 years of doing things the right way.
You are trying to sound scientific asking all these detailed questions (that somebody fed you(??)) that don't really mean anything. An old politicians trick. Then when they are answered, you pick them apart and try to make them sound wrong, or chnage the subject.
Once again I will point out that you have no intentions of fixing your problems, or educate yourself, but every intention of trying to do a company harm by taking little bits of truth and trying to manufacture harmful information out of it.
I have yet to see any evidence that Amsoil has caused harm to anybodys engine.
Although I have seen lots of sample results that show Amsoil is doing just fine in peoples engines.
Maybe you could help me out here, Don, and explain to me why that is?
Gene
Its not over fueled(compared to stock) yet, but it will be. Yes, I will use extended drains.
Ididn't care about API, still don't. I work on a project for Chevron. These guys have the money to spend on certification. A small shop like amsoil would price themselves out of the market if they recert every base as they change.
I buy their story about policies they disagree with until someone proves they have a bad product.
There's no approval body for diesel performance parts, but I wouldn't use a DR P product if it was given to me.
I thought long and hard before I bought. I have little money to spare for such things (wife, 3 kiids etc... ). I spent $400+ for amsoil front to rear. Not all of it is installed because when I cralled under the truck to do the transmission I found a leaking tailshaft.
Yes, I knew it was not API certified but I am satisfied that it meets or exceeds their standards. If Pensoil can do it anybody can.
Franky I'd rather them keep a low price than certify anyway. Maybe enough people will buy it and the API will fix their policies. Then they will be able to afford to maintain certifications. Then again, maybe not.
I'll still buy and use it untl I see proof that I shouldn't.
Ididn't care about API, still don't. I work on a project for Chevron. These guys have the money to spend on certification. A small shop like amsoil would price themselves out of the market if they recert every base as they change.
I buy their story about policies they disagree with until someone proves they have a bad product.
There's no approval body for diesel performance parts, but I wouldn't use a DR P product if it was given to me.
I thought long and hard before I bought. I have little money to spare for such things (wife, 3 kiids etc... ). I spent $400+ for amsoil front to rear. Not all of it is installed because when I cralled under the truck to do the transmission I found a leaking tailshaft.
Yes, I knew it was not API certified but I am satisfied that it meets or exceeds their standards. If Pensoil can do it anybody can.
Franky I'd rather them keep a low price than certify anyway. Maybe enough people will buy it and the API will fix their policies. Then they will be able to afford to maintain certifications. Then again, maybe not.
I'll still buy and use it untl I see proof that I shouldn't.
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