Dead Pedal revisted 2013+

[JR]

Todd, any idea who makes their air filters?

Periodically I get the service required message on the active air box. It comes and goes like a bad habit with no rhyme or reason.
I've looked at these units before but never found any info on the filter manufacturer or efficiency ratings.

 

[TCDiesel]

WE can agree on this one for sure!!! Smoke and mirrors I say. Banks makes QUALITY products BUT their claims are far fetched. I have wasted several thousand dollars on two rigs that I could have gotten the same Performance at 1/2 the price,

I'm not advertising for Banks, that's the weekend warrior crowd. Banks fit and finish is second to none, and I've seen those claim your promoting at 1/2 the cost carnage.

Its a dead pedal discussion. Did I even mention Banks claims.

 

[TCDiesel]

Todd, any idea who makes their air filters?

Periodically I get the service required message. It comes and goes like a bad habit with no rhyme or reason.
I've looked at these units before but never found any info on the filter manufacturer or efficiency ratings.

JR I would have to ask , Its a quality filter, I would not run it in a dusty environment consistently Thou, (Occasionally Yes) its designed for flow and it would allow some small dust microns.

 

[SnoKing]

Lag of boost on heavy throttle(AKA fueling without boost) would create a lot of black smoke, and I do not believe that happens with dead pedal. SnoKing

 

[TCDiesel]

Lag of boost on heavy throttle would create a lot of black smoke, and I do not believe that happens with dead pedal. SnoKing

The Injection systems reacts to conditions in milliseconds, I would have to guess on home much of that soot is captured in the DPF.

I'm hoping someone with deleted 2013+ chimes in on DP and Stock Box.

I'm going to be pulling 1 of My construction trailers after I finish typing I will report back on pulling 10K+ LBS around the city does with the intake.

 

[Wiredawg]

I am amazed how little information that is published about the Ram Active Air System. I purchased the factory service manual (CD) for my 2107 Ram 5500 C&C and it is not even mentioned, except to remove the connectors for the door actuators when replacing the air filter box.

I spent much of today viewing videos and reading bits and pieces on the Internet to learn some about the Ram Active Air System and a common problem with it. There is a single actuator motor that opens and closes a butterfly from the fender and from the front. There is a single linkage between the two butterflies so that both are not fully open or closed at the same time.

The default configuration is the fender well butterfly is open. Apparently a combination of engine demand, temperature (under hood or air temp) causes the actuator to close the fender well butterfly, which is connected to the butterfly for the front grill opening, allowing more forced airflow. Taking bits and pieces from reading, either the windshield wipers being on and/or some other sensor detects moisture that closes the front grill butterfly and opens the fender well butterfly. Although not stated, I believe either the fender butterfly or the grill butterfly are fully open and there is no intermediate configuration, like both partially open, except when transitioning fully open and fully closed.

Note: the fender well has a tube like a dryer vent hose connected to a plastic 90' fitting and that vent hose is subject to collapsing and/or having varmints getting in it. From the Motor City Mechanic video on YouTube, if you get a code to change air filter and air filer is good, collapsed or blocked fender hose is possible cause. The collapsed vent hose caused the ribbed rubber accordion hose connecting the air box to the downpipe feeding air to the turbo. Very interesting. He cut off most of that fender hose and chucked it. You could replace it with a piece of PCV pipe. Check that video. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...F8EE6E37C65285F331C9F8EE6E37C652&&FORM=VRDGAR

So, I'm going to post this in a different thread so easier to find and hopefully folks with more info can add onto it. For this thread, I hope everyone can see how the air box functions and there is a vulnerability for the fender vent hose to effect engine operation/performance.

Cheers all, Ron

 

[Newsa]

Lag of boost on heavy throttle(AKA fueling without boost) would create a lot of black smoke, and I do not believe that happens with dead pedal. SnoKing

Would a change like this void your emissions warranty?

Is there any tune required to accommodate the different equipment, /different air flow characteristics without causing a malfunction code?

 

[p-Bar]

The accordion intake is a problem through out the auto industry . My brother's Ford GT40 has that same type of intake tube that collapse under heavy load , he devised some teflon coated S.S. wire that was installed in each fold to stop it from the collapse. Maybe the doors are the same technology that was taken from the 3rd gen heating/cooling doors . Great thread

 

[jgillott]

Maybe the doors are the same technology that was taken from the 3rd gen heating/cooling doors . Great thread

You know, I'm very glad you mentioned this. That is the first thought I had when TC mentioned this. Actuators that don't necessarily respond as desired, control heads that lose calibration at any given time, and plastic hardware and doors that get hung up and snap after repetitive use. All and all a lousy HVAC design. If anything with this 4th gen Active Air intake system is common in design to that disaster, it is easy to see the number of potential problems it could have.

 

[Cummins12V98]

I'm not advertising for Banks, that's the weekend warrior crowd. Banks fit and finish is second to none, and I've seen those claim your promoting at 1/2 the cost carnage.

Its a dead pedal discussion. Did I even mention Banks claims.

I am giving generalinformation about their products, did I say something that was not true?

Did I say YOU mentioned Banks claims?

Reread what I said it was simple statement about Banks, NOT about your info.

 

[Wiredawg]

And for my part, whether you keep the stock box or replace it, it helps to understand the operation, conditions, and components so you can diagnose and fix any issues. Even with the box and turbo pipe replaced, there are still OEM components being used that affect the operation and efficiency of air intake system.
For my part, its helpful to know manufacturer, product, product claims, user opinion, and recommendation. There are very few aftermarket product I've purchased without follow member experiences.

Thanks TCDiesel and Cummins 12V98 for the info. It's all good and one of the reasons I'm a TDR member.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Cummins12V98]

"Thanks Cummins 12V98 for the info. It's all good and one of the reasons I'm a TDR member."

That's the idea, your welcome!!!

 

[TCDiesel]

I am giving generalinformation about their products, did I say something that was not true?

Did I say YOU mentioned Banks claims?

Reread what I said it was simple statement about Banks, NOT about your info.

No...I was making My view point known.

But your pointed comment was Unnecessary and did not contribute (Dead Pedal revisited) info.

Its kinda impossible to state (I've wasted $1000s) on Banks products, and anyone to prove you didn't or did. What I can say if you did and felt it was wasted , I understand that BC I've lost $10,000s in certain deals, One things for sure and certain I've never make the same mistake twice, So even at the loss I've benefited. and what is more I'm thankful I could afford those losses too. My guess you can too.

 

[TCDiesel]

We'll I'm convince it helps after two days of city pulling I like. Weather its Banks or another similar intake if you don't mind the addition noise it nice.

 

[p-Bar]

Wiredawg started this thread. Going to read up on it.

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/ram-active-air-sytem-operation-and-facts.264955/

 

[Wiredawg]

TCDiesel, I don't know how much you remember about intakes; I had a Pschotty II om my 2002 3500 where you cut a 4 inch hole in the firewall where it drew air from the vents under/by the windshield wipers. I also had a BD exhaust brake. Both the turbo whine and the EB were probably as loud as any application. It was really cool back then... now, I'm happy with the quiet. Cheers, Ron

 

[Cummins12V98]

TCDiesel, I don't know how much you remember about intakes; I had a Pschotty II om my 2002 3500 where you cut a 4 inch hole in the firewall where it drew air from the vents under/by the windshield wipers. I also had a BD exhaust brake. Both the turbo whine and the EB were probably as loud as any application. It was really cool back then... now, I'm happy with the quiet. Cheers, Ron

Yea it was cool to have the turbo noise but I like the 15 just the way RAM made it! No dead pedal to boot!

 

[brillmtb]

So I have a 2017 3500 and have been complaining about dead pedal since purchase. My dealer spoke to an engineer privately who admitted that programming is in place to reduce power. 68% or something like that.

The only fix I have been able to confirm is aftermarket tuner. My manager stated he would not void warranty if I added this for anything other than what he really thought a tuner might do but I have yet to do it.

I’m at 35k with an added warranty. I may add at 50k if I don’t hear the dredge fixes this problem on their own.

Really concerned that they don’t have confidence in either transmission to be able to take more linear power early on. My Aisin equipped 2017 takes off slower than my 2003 did.

 

[SnoKing]

So I have a 2017 3500 and have been complaining about dead pedal since purchase. My dealer spoke to an engineer privately who admitted that programming is in place to reduce power. 68% or something like that.

The only fix I have been able to confirm is aftermarket tuner. My manager stated he would not void warranty if I added this for anything other than what he really thought a tuner might do but I have yet to do it.

I’m at 35k with an added warranty. I may add at 50k if I don’t hear the dredge fixes this problem on their own.

Really concerned that they don’t have confidence in either transmission to be able to take more linear power early on. My Aisin equipped 2017 takes off slower than my 2003 did.

I will bet if Ron and/or I drive your truck, we will not notice any dead pedal. SnoKing

 

[Cummins12V98]

I will bet if Ron and/or I drive your truck, we will not notice any dead pedal. SnoKing

HA. Could be. Not a rocket off the line but it responds to my right foot just fine.