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Some pulling trucks (and Dyno Queens) are running JP-8 and some kind of Farming cemical, Then stating that they are running straight Diesel. Any one hear the same stuff? How good is it and where can I get some? :)
 
100LL. . is 100 octane Low Lead... AV gas... get it at most Airports... Racing fuel is much higher. . is some of our Gas pulling tractor we run a VP C12. . or Sunoco fuel... last VP I got was $6. 25gal... Sunoco was $5. 75. (but has gone up. ) I don't think these are the fuels you are thinking about...

I'm guessing that you are talking about an Oxygenated fuel??? (PolyPro??)
 
Just to make sure the mud is clear. 100LL is a gasoline, and your diesel motor will not like it. JP-8 is one of many types of jet fuel, which can be run in a diesel engine. I know that Jet A ( much more common) is listed as an alternative fuel for diesel motors, although it has been stated on this site that it does not have the lubricity that our injection pumps need. I'm not sure about that though. The high pressure on jet pumps use the fuel as lubrication and cooling as well.



Gas motors like 100LL very well. However, the lead content in it fouls up oxygen sensors and clogs up catalytic converters. I have run it in boats and motor cycles with great results.
 
McCRam said:
although it has been stated on this site that it does not have the lubricity that our injection pumps need. I'm not sure about that though. The high pressure on jet pumps use the fuel as lubrication and cooling as well.



But the pumps on a jet are designed for this fuel. I work with heavy industrial Gas Turbines that run on both natural gas and diesel fuel. At one of the plants we were permitted to run on K-1 kerosene because of our proximity to the adirondacks but not #2 oil. Well after very little liquid fuel operation our high pressure fuel pump went TU and siezed. After fighting back and forth with the manufacturer it was determined that the pump was designed for #2 oil and siezed because of the lack of lubricity. In the end they loosened up the tolerances of the pump and it has been in service for close to 10 years now without a problem. Just my 2 cents about lubricity
 
Having dealt with fuel pump failures caused by dry fuels here in Alaska, I can assure you that low lubricity will cause a much higher failure rate on most fuel pumps (more pronounced on the Cummins PT and CAPS fuel pumps). While Jet-A and JP-8 both are approved as contingency fuels for Cummins' engines, the Cummins fuels bulletin quite clearly requires that the fuel meet minimum lubricity requirements. While most refineries state that the fuel they produce meets ASTM standards for #2 fuel, until 2005 there was no standard for lubricity. In fact, what is tested from the fuel tank frequently does not meet lubricity requirements if you are using a light fuel (Jet-A, JP-8, kerosene, etc. )



Now it is published -- ASTM is publishing a standard requiring that fuel lubricity not exceed . 54 microns using the High Frequency Reciprocating Rig (HFRR) method (ASTM 6079). Cummins will be changing their standard from their much tighter . 45 micron requirement to match the ASTM standard.



It comes down to if you are going to use a "light fuel", use a lubricity enhancer such as Stanadyne, Fleetguard's FleetTech, Schaeffer's, Power Service, etc.



And to think, I'm not even a fuels engineer!???!?! :eek:
 
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So what are u running Sled Puller?

I hear that the pulling trucks were trying JP-8 with some stuff in it. Does it work?

Have you tried it?

Im Just diggen for tricks !
 
I had never heard of JP-8 so I went to my friend Google..... the following is some of what I found...



Abstract: Tests were done to examine the feasibility of disposing of used engine oil from military vehicles by blending it with JP- 8 engine fuel to be used in diesel vehicles. Two Army diesel engines were evaluated in cyclic endurance dynamometer test procedures using JP-8 fuel blended with 7. 5% vol used oil. Results were compared to baseline performance using neat JP-8 fuel. The following major differences were observed when using blended fuel: Significant ashy deposits were found in the pre-combustion chamber of the 4-cycle diesel engine; indications of imminent exhaust valve burning (streaking) were found on the exhaust valves in the 2-cycle diesel engine. For both engines, condition was such that continuous use of 7. 5 %vol blend would not be recommended. Considering it would take between 19-68 years for an Army engine to reach the end of endurance test condition, use of blended fuel 1 or 2 times per year is judged acceptable from an endurance standpoint.



These links have a TON of info...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2005/050300-concept.htm



http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/FAQ/diesel_fuel.htm



So if I am reading everything correctly . . used with common sense you should be fine ... but several of the reports claim no increase in power from it?
 
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Anyone ever try synthetic diesel! I've always wondered if I could squeeze more power out with it! Most of the Big HP Dyno guys run some sort of concoction though they would never admit it.



Jim
 
I run Pure Purple , for the lubrication quality , I don't really believe its is much of a power enhancer , I dynoed back to back on Snow White and it was worth a whopping 10 hp across the board . there are quit a few things you could do to make power , with diesel fuel , but there are a lot of changes you must make to a common tune up to take advantage of them.



1. water / methanol the methanol greatly speeds up flame front propagation . This in effect reduces the timing requirement for a given engine speed , and load. This is the reason adding a little methanol will clean up fuel that is the by product of big pumps , or long injections duration. This fuel come in to the process late in the cycle, and doesn’t really add any appreciable amount of usable cylinder pressure , but is the primary cause of the thick black sootie smoke. This added fuel contributes to high Egt’s because of it burning on exiting the exhaust valve , and the added oxygen coming across the chamber on valve over lap. This added fuel also absorbs the heat when it is carburized , and not participating in the combustion process , making a heavy fueled motor not want to accelerate.



2. Amyl Nitrate , in small, and I mean small amounts in diesel fuel will produce big power gains , but this is very tricky . and is a added ingredient in a common know land speed record truck . 2 % will yield 5 to 7 % power. You have to reduce compression a great deal to take advantage of this additive , and it doesn’t like a mechanical pump . the timing requirements of this , and the reduction in compression to use it require an on the fly adjustable electronic timing to take full advantage of it properties.



3. Nitro propane in fuel is also a fuel that is virtually undetectable and has many unique tuning requirements. None of them something a beginner needs to play with



4 . JP8 is nothing more then a safer JET A or JP5 this fuel was made to be less flammable on aircraft carrier , and has a higher vapor pressure , and flash point . I have been told that JP* has more BTU of energy then JP8 or JET A and if so would make more power , if tuned correctly . on the other hand if the fuel produces a slower flame front , it would require more timing to achieve the same cylinder peak spike need to produce optimal power. .



5 BIO DIESEL has 12 % more BTU then # 2 and should be the best bet for racing or pulling , this fuel has a very low sulfur content , and is hard on race pumps with out the proper lubrication package . this fuel is the future of Americas energy needs , being total renewable , and less of a pollutant .





In conclusion there power gains with all of these power producing agents are less the 10 % , and on the street level not worth the trouble, but are viable solutions to a all out race motors , these additives are easily detectable in fuel buy using a dielectric meter , and my spectrograph the suspected fuel. NHRA dose this to every car in the performance categories every lap . from pro stock down to stock I have not experimented with these additives , yet , because the power level needed is easy to achieve , the trick is latching it to the track
 
A few things I can add are that JP-5 and JP-8's flash temps are different, I do remember that JP-5 is like 140-150 and JP-8 is like 130..... correct me if I'm wrong here, what I do remember si being the Gulf on a Carrier (Ranger and Connie) and when the ACFT took on fuel from the Airforce tankers it was JP-8 and that was an issue because it dropped the flash temp of the fuel on the ship when you did a de-fuel, sometimes you would have to de-fuel over the side..... yea I know, but if the ships fuel is too low it's a huge fire hazard.



I do know that JP doesn't have the lubrication qualities that #2 has, the fuel controls on a Jet engine don't require the lubrication that a fuel pump on a truck does, there is just not that many moving parts.



Jim



(Jet Engine Mechanic, Flight Engineer)
 
Jim as a AC firefighter ,



There are currently two fuels in widespread use by the U. S. military: JP-5 by the Navy, and JP-8 by the Air Force. Both are kerosene-type fuels. The major difference between them is the flash point temperature, although there are also minor differences in other fuel properties. The minimum flash point temperature for JP-8 is 38°C, and for JP-5 is 60°C. The higher flash point for JP-5 affords an additional degree of safety in handling fuel on aircraft carriers.







you made me have to dig deep, and the common misconception about JP 8 is wrong , will have to give a class to fellow firefighters , tuesday
 
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Yeah, JP-8 is NOT the bad guy of miliary fuels.



JP-4 is the bad dude. Flashpoint is like 40 degrees, compared to 100 for JP-8.



When I was enlisted in the AF, I was an aircraft Fuel Systems specialist. (2A6x4). I liked the job, but being an Officer is a little nicer:)



jlh
 
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