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I'm going to make A LOT of friends with this post: (sarcasm)
If you don't own DTT parts, then don't even bother being a TDR member. There is nothing better than DTT, never has been, never will be. No company can be more innovative, creative or provide better customer service. If you bought anything else, you are the dumbest SOB to ever drive a Dodge/Cummins.
Have I summed up the general consensus of the automatic-owning TDR members????? Yeah, I thought so.
Now, I have a totally stock auto transmission, and I plan to upgrade it, as I have plans to boost the HP and torque of the 12 valve. BUT, I have yet to decide who is going to get my money for transmission upgrades. One thing that concerns me? NOBODY has anything bad to say about DTT. As a matter of fact, make ONE slightly negative comment about DTT or one slightly positive comment about BD, and the dogs of war on your path! WHY??????
I, for one, do not understand this rabid support of DTT. There are only two constants on the TDR: DTT is the best thing since sliced bread, and Banks is the worst, next to BD. How does one company command such respect, when no other company can? I wonder sometimes. The replies to this post? "Because DTT is the best at blah, blah, blah. " Whatever. Maybe the are, maybe they aren't. The only other time I see such support for a company or its product? Yep, you guessed it, an INFOMERCIAL!
Having said this, will I buy DTT products for my Dodge? Perhaps. I will do the research. I will make the decision, and it will be MY money that gets spent. But let me ask this: What is the one rule of all mutliple choice tests? The answer that contains "always" is always wrong! DTT is "always" the best, "always" the right choice. "always" the only way to go. Why is that? Based on the litmus test I just suggested, such a suggestion should be taken with a lot of caution.
Any given product will have a failure rate. What is DTT's failure rate? Accoding to the TDR members that own DTT products, almost zero!!!!!! Unlikely in my opinion. If you question the products that DTT makes, and you will be burned at the stakes! Why is that? Start a post about Brand X auto transmission products, and Bill is likely to launch a diatribe about why they don't know anything about nothing. Why is that?
I am not saying this to disparage DTT, or anybody else making aftermarket parts for our Dodge/Cummins trucks. Each of these vendors is to be commended for providing a product or service for such a relatively small segment of the total automotive market. Now, having said all of this: Does DTT hold the crown for the best Dodge Automatic transmission upgrades? POSSIBLY. Will I buy DTT products for my Dodge someday? POSSIBLY. Will somebody come out with a better product than DTT someday. DEFINATELY.
At one time, DTT came out with a better product than the competition, who is to say someone else won't! If DTT is currently the top of line, then somebody is aiming for them. Will they succeed? YES! Will DTT respond with something better? MOST LIKELY. Will this process continue until the OEM manufactures make a bullet-proof transmission? YES, then someone will make it NUKE-proof. And the process continues. There is no end to innnovation, but one company cannot and will not be the best product all the time. Any such claims are fool-hardy, and should not be taken seriously.
Now, I'm getting off my soap box, and I'm putting on the mega flame retardant asbestos suit. The flames will be hot and unrelenting. But, I can take it. BRING IT ON!
If you don't own DTT parts, then don't even bother being a TDR member. There is nothing better than DTT, never has been, never will be. No company can be more innovative, creative or provide better customer service. If you bought anything else, you are the dumbest SOB to ever drive a Dodge/Cummins.
Have I summed up the general consensus of the automatic-owning TDR members????? Yeah, I thought so.
Now, I have a totally stock auto transmission, and I plan to upgrade it, as I have plans to boost the HP and torque of the 12 valve. BUT, I have yet to decide who is going to get my money for transmission upgrades. One thing that concerns me? NOBODY has anything bad to say about DTT. As a matter of fact, make ONE slightly negative comment about DTT or one slightly positive comment about BD, and the dogs of war on your path! WHY??????
I, for one, do not understand this rabid support of DTT. There are only two constants on the TDR: DTT is the best thing since sliced bread, and Banks is the worst, next to BD. How does one company command such respect, when no other company can? I wonder sometimes. The replies to this post? "Because DTT is the best at blah, blah, blah. " Whatever. Maybe the are, maybe they aren't. The only other time I see such support for a company or its product? Yep, you guessed it, an INFOMERCIAL!
Having said this, will I buy DTT products for my Dodge? Perhaps. I will do the research. I will make the decision, and it will be MY money that gets spent. But let me ask this: What is the one rule of all mutliple choice tests? The answer that contains "always" is always wrong! DTT is "always" the best, "always" the right choice. "always" the only way to go. Why is that? Based on the litmus test I just suggested, such a suggestion should be taken with a lot of caution.
Any given product will have a failure rate. What is DTT's failure rate? Accoding to the TDR members that own DTT products, almost zero!!!!!! Unlikely in my opinion. If you question the products that DTT makes, and you will be burned at the stakes! Why is that? Start a post about Brand X auto transmission products, and Bill is likely to launch a diatribe about why they don't know anything about nothing. Why is that?
I am not saying this to disparage DTT, or anybody else making aftermarket parts for our Dodge/Cummins trucks. Each of these vendors is to be commended for providing a product or service for such a relatively small segment of the total automotive market. Now, having said all of this: Does DTT hold the crown for the best Dodge Automatic transmission upgrades? POSSIBLY. Will I buy DTT products for my Dodge someday? POSSIBLY. Will somebody come out with a better product than DTT someday. DEFINATELY.
At one time, DTT came out with a better product than the competition, who is to say someone else won't! If DTT is currently the top of line, then somebody is aiming for them. Will they succeed? YES! Will DTT respond with something better? MOST LIKELY. Will this process continue until the OEM manufactures make a bullet-proof transmission? YES, then someone will make it NUKE-proof. And the process continues. There is no end to innnovation, but one company cannot and will not be the best product all the time. Any such claims are fool-hardy, and should not be taken seriously.
Now, I'm getting off my soap box, and I'm putting on the mega flame retardant asbestos suit. The flames will be hot and unrelenting. But, I can take it. BRING IT ON!
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High Voltage
TDR MEMBER
JUST DO IT.
I DID.
I DID.
Bob Wagner
TDR MEMBER
Scott
All I did was post a link to SRehbergs past posts , see a pattern?
I question the pattern
All I did was post a link to SRehbergs past posts , see a pattern?
I question the pattern
Driftwood Ram
TDR MEMBER
Scott:
No flames ment here. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them and sometimes they stink. That being said I think you should run out and get a BD t/c, valve body and whatever else you want. It's your money hehe
Kinda off the original question though don't you think.
Let us hear from the satisified BD CUSTOMERS. That was the original question as I read it
I challenge all DTT CUSTOMERS NOT to post on this thread and let us hear from the satisified BD CUSTOMERS. .
No flames ment here. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them and sometimes they stink. That being said I think you should run out and get a BD t/c, valve body and whatever else you want. It's your money hehe
Kinda off the original question though don't you think.
Let us hear from the satisified BD CUSTOMERS. That was the original question as I read it
I challenge all DTT CUSTOMERS NOT to post on this thread and let us hear from the satisified BD CUSTOMERS. .
Were getting off subject here, but John reminded me of a recent ride I went for in a stock 24v with an automatic. The driver was accelerating down the street. This thing was revved up, about 2800-2900 RPM's and not moving at all like I am accustomed to. Man did I appriciate my truck. I am only slightly BOMBed compared to some of you out there. But I can tell you when you are at 2800+ RPM's with your foot on the throttle, you better be looking where the **** you are going.
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I'm new to the Dodge CTD ranks, only had my truck for a couple of months. Been a member of TDR since October 2000, like to do my home work before I buy. Originally I wanted to buy a 6sp HO, because of the weak automatic that I heard about. Then being a member I found out that if you did not abuse the automatic it was just as dependable as the 5 or 6sp. To make a long story short, I went to KC a few weeks ago and watched Kat Diesel drag race his automatic CTD with the DTT upgrades. He would start out in 4WD and then shift into 2WD while smoking all 4 tires and running 99+ mph in the 1/4 mile. He did this over and over. If that did not break a transmission nothing will. I am now a believer in DTT upgrades and will someday spend some bucks with them.
Re: Scott
Well, when I posted my response, the only thing contained in your post was "SOSDD. " I took that to mean, "same old s***, different day. " I did not notice if this was an embedded link to another thread or not, however. It could have been... ...
My concern is that the TDR is supposed to be an exchange of ideas, but all to often it turns into a ******* match when it comes to automatic transmissions threads. See a pattern? How many people made the comment in the ATS thread that they were not there to contribute, but to sit back, drink a beer and "watch the fireworks. " THAT is what I'm starting to dislike. There should not be any fireworks or adversarial arguments, but civil exchanges of ideas. Through such a process, the next innovation can be developed.
I've driven a DTT equipped truck, and yes, it was quite nice. And yes, it will be my money, so I'll buy what is best for me. The challenge has been thrown out to have all satisfied BD customers post, and that all DTT customers keep quiet. As soon as someone does, accusations will start flying about sponsorships, or who is lying about what, etc. Oh wait, that thread already exists... ... ...
Well, when I posted my response, the only thing contained in your post was "SOSDD. " I took that to mean, "same old s***, different day. " I did not notice if this was an embedded link to another thread or not, however. It could have been... ...
My concern is that the TDR is supposed to be an exchange of ideas, but all to often it turns into a ******* match when it comes to automatic transmissions threads. See a pattern? How many people made the comment in the ATS thread that they were not there to contribute, but to sit back, drink a beer and "watch the fireworks. " THAT is what I'm starting to dislike. There should not be any fireworks or adversarial arguments, but civil exchanges of ideas. Through such a process, the next innovation can be developed.
I've driven a DTT equipped truck, and yes, it was quite nice. And yes, it will be my money, so I'll buy what is best for me. The challenge has been thrown out to have all satisfied BD customers post, and that all DTT customers keep quiet. As soon as someone does, accusations will start flying about sponsorships, or who is lying about what, etc. Oh wait, that thread already exists... ... ...
I do not want to start any kind of friction, that is the last of my desires. I have only read negative comments about BD products and have not seen the reasons why they seem to be down played so consistently. As I stated before, I would appreciate any satisfied/dissatisfied BD owner's comments so myself and perhaps others, who do not want to endure the comments, can make an educated opinion when spending our hard earned dollars. If money is no object, then one can throw all they like at something, but in my case, I do not have that luxury. Hence I need to make informed choices, and I was under the impression this was the gathering of the most informed diesel truck owners anywhere around.
If you care to share your thoughts with me I would be most appreciated, but if you only have the desire to degrade my post, then please refrain from doing so. Thank you.
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'96 2wd auto
If you care to share your thoughts with me I would be most appreciated, but if you only have the desire to degrade my post, then please refrain from doing so. Thank you.
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'96 2wd auto
I sat back and tried to see things from the point of view expressed in this post.
One of the things that jumped out at me that may not obvious to some of you is this, it may help you guys understand why some of DTT customers are the way they are , vocal i mean.
I am the guy that they most often they dont want to call, see my bedside manner is not like everyone elses . I do not just sell you any parts you want to buy, i have guys mad at me because i wont just sell pieces of systems that will not do the job for them.
Most of the time i get a call, the majority of these guys have been through other options, and have heard members talking about our products. At that point they are distrustful when they call me as remember they have usually been through at least 2 other options.
All of us want to believe, but they are somewhat sceptical and somewhat hoping we are not all talk. That is why you will hear often driving is believing. Most of guys calling us are not transmission technicians , they have based their decision soely on trust, they come from all walks of life.
Their loyalty may also come from the fact some of them that were installing their products themselves or having friends try and do it and got jammed up , and called me and i drove , and i drove,
and eventhough it iwas not our products or our fault, we didnt deny them.
I have driven to Coldorado, Utah, Idaho, to help 1 individual get his Dodge back on the road. How much money do you think i ended up making on those jobs.
Am i a saint, no!!
I know what its like to be broken, i have been there with no one there to help me.
I have had guys loose their transmission becuase they did not put a resistor in it that had 3rd gear starts, a $1. oo part that caused $2000-$3000 worth of transmission damage, i could have easily denied them warranty, the difference is these guys that became our customers also became part of the DTT family.
When they called me they did not lie to me, tell me it was my fault, knowing full well what the outcome could have been.
That goes both ways and speaks volumes to me.
We take care of our customers and sometimes it costs us money.
The way we look at it is this, we are a family run business, we work 14 hour days, and we put our resources in our customer service and products rather than marketing & sales.
Our issues when they arise are dealt with, not pushed aside or re-directed, who is to blame is irrelevant.
Our customers that have been in trouble know this,whether its their fault or not, it is dealt with.
We have never told ANYONE what to say.
I was not going to comment on this but i find it interesting that some tdr members are getting mad at DTT customers for vocal support.
I hope this sheds a little light as to perhaps why they are so vocal.
It is also very intersting to me now that DTT is getting bashed because of the level of customer service and the quality of products we provide.
Times have obviously changed.
One of the things that jumped out at me that may not obvious to some of you is this, it may help you guys understand why some of DTT customers are the way they are , vocal i mean.
I am the guy that they most often they dont want to call, see my bedside manner is not like everyone elses . I do not just sell you any parts you want to buy, i have guys mad at me because i wont just sell pieces of systems that will not do the job for them.
Most of the time i get a call, the majority of these guys have been through other options, and have heard members talking about our products. At that point they are distrustful when they call me as remember they have usually been through at least 2 other options.
All of us want to believe, but they are somewhat sceptical and somewhat hoping we are not all talk. That is why you will hear often driving is believing. Most of guys calling us are not transmission technicians , they have based their decision soely on trust, they come from all walks of life.
Their loyalty may also come from the fact some of them that were installing their products themselves or having friends try and do it and got jammed up , and called me and i drove , and i drove,
and eventhough it iwas not our products or our fault, we didnt deny them.
I have driven to Coldorado, Utah, Idaho, to help 1 individual get his Dodge back on the road. How much money do you think i ended up making on those jobs.
Am i a saint, no!!
I know what its like to be broken, i have been there with no one there to help me.
I have had guys loose their transmission becuase they did not put a resistor in it that had 3rd gear starts, a $1. oo part that caused $2000-$3000 worth of transmission damage, i could have easily denied them warranty, the difference is these guys that became our customers also became part of the DTT family.
When they called me they did not lie to me, tell me it was my fault, knowing full well what the outcome could have been.
That goes both ways and speaks volumes to me.
We take care of our customers and sometimes it costs us money.
The way we look at it is this, we are a family run business, we work 14 hour days, and we put our resources in our customer service and products rather than marketing & sales.
Our issues when they arise are dealt with, not pushed aside or re-directed, who is to blame is irrelevant.
Our customers that have been in trouble know this,whether its their fault or not, it is dealt with.
We have never told ANYONE what to say.
I was not going to comment on this but i find it interesting that some tdr members are getting mad at DTT customers for vocal support.
I hope this sheds a little light as to perhaps why they are so vocal.
It is also very intersting to me now that DTT is getting bashed because of the level of customer service and the quality of products we provide.
Times have obviously changed.
I think people are tired of hearing how one persons product is so much better than anyone elses and then people get bashed for trying to bring up another persons product. To me the people that have put you so high on a pedistool is the only way they can keep you there is makeing a tyrent out of you. I am not slamming you, just the way some people act when a new product comes out. I for one tried to get your product on two seperate occasions, last spring and just the first part of this month. The way you described your product to me scared me off. Some one will probably come back and defend your act by saying your such a great person that you will not sell me a product because of some unknown reason, let me assure you it is not. I'am not going to air on any of the TDR why or how come, that would make me sound like the people i'am talking about. I just wanted to let someone know that there is at least one person not satisfied with DTT customer relations. Don't take offense to this Bill, it's more your followers than you.
Ron
Ron
Bob Wagner
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<b>Ain't that a sad fact of life
</b>I've tried to stay out of this hassle. As far as I can see this call for satisfied customers of other transmission vendors is really a thinly disguised bash at Bill K. and his customers. I have never met Bill but I intend to just to shake his hand. I was a customer of BD when Bill was there. I had some problems (the details are not relevant) and he was helping me. During this period he quit BD and opened his own shop. My efforts to get BD to help failed so I gave up. Later Bill helped me to resolve the situation at some cost to him. Did you ever hear of such a thing? This was really BD's problem and Bill didn't even work for them at that time. I couldn't believe it and told him it was BD's problem. He insisted. Somehow he felt that he owed it to me. So when I say that he has the best customer service on the planet I mean it! I take bashing him personally. I hope I have steered enough business his way so he has at least made a profit from his going out of his way to help me.
This support was kind of a hassle for him since I'm hearing impaired (damn near deaf) and he is typing impaired.
I now have DTT stuff in my transmission and am VERY happy with the performance.
Thanks again Bill.
This support was kind of a hassle for him since I'm hearing impaired (damn near deaf) and he is typing impaired.
I now have DTT stuff in my transmission and am VERY happy with the performance.
Thanks again Bill.
Bill,
Where did I ever bash your customer service or products? Or, was this comment directed at someone else's reply? My issue is with the "pack of wolves" attacks that get heaped on people who ask for advice on transmission products offered by companies other than yours. It doesn't even have to be transmission products, it happens with almost everything. I have seen it time and time again.
I can understand how people are enthusiastic about their trucks and their modifications. But some things are elevated to the cult level. Automatic transmission upgrades is one of them.
Well, you are bound to find at least one example that doesn't fit the mold. These are exceptions, but they prove the rule. That thread is indeed a rare thread on the TDR.
I still stand by my pack of wolves observation.
Here are some examples!
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29714
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29291
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27837
Another thread where someone makes the observation about getting flamed:
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27271
Here is a thread where the moderator makes a statement about level heads prevailing in a transmission post. It is the very last post, notice the comment?
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29636&perpage=15&pagenumber=2
Most of these threads are within the last 30 days... .....
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