Where do you keep your pistol in truck? Any under seat holsters?

[Adam]

Whole bunch of variables

Here's the good news for you Alaska guys... you CAN carry a loaded weapon in your vehicle, provided there are no signs of alcohol consumption. There is no requirement for being in a rural area, or hunting, or to and from a range. This does NOT apply to school zones unless you are only transiting through, and do not intend to stop. I am also unaware of any city-specific regualtions. I know Fairbanks doesn't have any. As JCyrbok said, vehicle searches are flaky. Some of them fall under "Search Incident to Apprehension", where the arresting officer has the right to search anything on you and within your immediate control. This means if you're in the front seat and can reach the glove box without taking off your seatbelt, it can be searched. If you can reach the cooler in the bed of the truck through the split window, it can be searched. There's also several different officer safety laws that come into affect, the most prominent being the "Terry Stop" or the "Terry Frisk". It stems from a case of Terry vs. Minnesota and basically says an experienced officer, acting on his past experiences with criminals, can ascertain if something is not right, and conduct a simple frisk of an individual without any additional probable cause, but only if it doesn't unnecessarily inconvenience or delay said individual. Do an internet search, you'll find a bunch of information on searches and various other 4th Amendment rights.



-Adam



P. S. S&W 1006 loaded with Norma 170gr JHP slid under the center console.

 

[Pit Bull]

I don't carry a gun my body is a lethal weapon. :-laf That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[FM]

What do you guys do with your long guns. In my current I have ye olde trustee rear window rack. I have seen a rack that mounts fore and aft against the headliner. The theory was it did less advertiseing that way. I poked around last week looking for one to study but couldn't find one.



NC state law is that hand guns must be in plain sight or in a locked box, ie locked glovebox.

 

[Pit Bull]

A gun rack with a 30/30 would be a good deterrent to road rage. I know every time I see a PU truck with a gun in the rear window I feel they deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their driving skills and give them a wide berth. If you install a gun rack in the rear window of your truck how secure is the gun from being stolen? Is it legal to drive around with a gun locked in a gun rack? Would the police harass you? Anybody know?

 

[Mel Fuelling]

Its great to see so much credible information about CCW. It's too

bad that we don't have a national CCW system. Legal citizens should be able to if they could demonstrate an adequate knowledge of the law as well as safety and gun handling competence.



Beware of depending on a pocket, purse(those without a special holster sewn into them), or laundry bag carry. Secure the holster

somehow or your pistol may not be there when you need it. There is nothing more embarrassing or possibly fatal than reaching for a pistol that isn't there.

 

[Roger rodbolt]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Where do you keep your pistol in truck? Any under seat holsters?

Originally posted by LSMITH

Good for you Larry!!!!! We need more like you in our state and federal governments!!!

Thanks LSMITH, I encourage all common sense, working folks to make the sacrifice and run for office or at least get involved by actively supporting "down to earth candidates" that can win. The future of our diesel trucks and personal freedom will survive or get neutered, depending on the people we elect. Larry

 

[johnmoore]

Originally posted by Mel Fuelling

It's too bad that we don't have a national CCW system.

I think Vermont has it right. My understanding is no permit or license required to carry concealed. After all isn't that what the 2nd Amendment says?

 

[curatchko]

Pays to live in a 'shall issue' state. Here in Michigan we are shall issue, for CCW permits, or to be more precise, CPL license.



If you're patient, and law abiding, in roughly 3-4 months after you submitt for it, you'll have a CPL.



As for placement, center console is a nice place, but if someone were to place 'their' gun in your face as you're sitting in the drivers seat, FORGET defending yourself.



The important thing is to have the fire arm positioned so you can quickly draw it if needed... . NOT find it in the center console, pull it from the holster, loaded it, rack it, click the saftey etc... . YOU'RE DEAD, thrown out of the truck and he's off with your truck, and possibly your child.



So, there are only a few options for carrying a pistol in a shall issue state. On your person, or like someone else stated, tucked between your seat and the center seat, so all you have to do is yank the fire arm, and after it's in the perpetrators face, click the safety, unless you own a Glock... and pull the trigger... . notice I say pull the trigger because unless you plan on firing the gun it shouldn't be drawn from it's holster.

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

and after it's in the perpetrators face, click the safety, unless you own a Glock... and pull the trigger... .

or a Sig Sauer

 

[curatchko]

Originally posted by Steve St. Laurent

or a Sig Sauer

Sigs are awesome!!! Big $$$ though...

 

[smartineau]

curatchko,



Sure sigs are big bucks, but there are a few things you don't want to buy low bid. Doctors and lawyers are the first two that come to mind.



I have 4 sigs and love them but I do long and pine for a 1911, the Les Baer Thunder ranch is nice but spendy, Wilson has some nice guns also. But any high quality pistol is good, a shotgun is better, just harder to weild.



For personnel defense pistols buy a gun that fits your hand, and that YOU shoot well. A gun writer or I can tell you how great a gun is and it may be a great gun. But if you can't hit s#$t with it, it becomes an expensive paper weight.



steve

 

[curatchko]

Oh I know exactly what you're saying.



Myself? I choose a very inexpensive imported Military issue pistol, called a Makarov. Specifically, a Bulgarian Makarov. One can be had, used for about 150-200 bucks.



Well the first thing people think when they see that price is that the gun must be junk. But, on the contrary, it has been tagged in the Top 10 for reliability, and Accuracy... and I'll attest to that as well. I've plugged about 1500 rounds through it and it has not one single time failed me(shocking to myself). Granted, much has to do with the quality of the ammo. Further I'll also say I've owned a Glock model 22, and a host of other 'expensive' pistols and the one that is in my IWB Holster is my Mak... To date it is the most accurate and reliable from my experience.



Anyone wanting a cheap dependable accurate shooter... I highly recommend them.



Kinda cool being cheap because you don't feel bad messing around modifying them or what have you...





I find myself 'wanting' for a Springfield Ultra Compact . 40 though... . maybe V10 ported..... hhhmmmm Torque Converter, or New pistol... . decisions decisions.

 

[The patriot]

Originally posted by curatchko

Pays to live in a 'shall issue' state. Here in Michigan we are shall issue, for CCW permits, or to be more precise, CPL license.



If you're patient, and law abiding, in roughly 3-4 months after you submitt for it, you'll have a CPL.



As for placement, center console is a nice place, but if someone were to place 'their' gun in your face as you're sitting in the drivers seat, FORGET defending yourself.



The important thing is to have the fire arm positioned so you can quickly draw it if needed... . NOT find it in the center console, pull it from the holster, loaded it, rack it, click the saftey etc... . YOU'RE DEAD, thrown out of the truck and he's off with your truck, and possibly your child.



So, there are only a few options for carrying a pistol in a shall issue state. On your person, or like someone else stated, tucked between your seat and the center seat, so all you have to do is yank the fire arm, and after it's in the perpetrators face, click the safety, unless you own a Glock... and pull the trigger... . notice I say pull the trigger because unless you plan on firing the gun it shouldn't be drawn from it's holster.

If you'd like it on your person, a crossdraw holster is the way to go. The Bulman SCS comes to mind, but there are others that make suitable leather. What's nice about these is, it's (assuming youre right handed) towards the drivers side window even before you draw the pistol. This is a little faster, and less cumbersome.

I havent used one, but some who have told me you can drive all day long and not even notice that it's there.

Eric

 

[Pit Bull]

I got rid of all of my automatics and went with all wheel guns S&W's. I don't want my wife trying to figure out in a emergency the type of weapon and how to release the safety. With a wheel gun you point and shoot. I have one located in every room of the house for ease of access. Add two big dogs to the mix (over 80 lbs) and that is what I call home security I shot expert in the USMC with a 45acp and my wife is a better shot than I am. Please call before you visit :-laf

 

[TURBOs4LIFE]

Re: CCW

Originally posted by JCyrbok

I carry a glock 26 9mm in a in the waist holster where ever I go. I never leave it in the truck un attended, as that is a very good way for it to end up in the wrong hands ( theft) I am not required to have a permit as I am a police officer in Mich. When traveling out of state i check with the states i will be going to to make sure I can carry, Suprisingly many do not allow out of state officers to carry concealed. Some done even allow it if there on business too.



ALso check if your CCW permit will be ok in other states, again many are not.



Mich just went to a "shall issue" CCW system acouple of years ago for civilians. WHen we run a plate or a name in the computer there is a CCW message attatched. In Mich if for any reason u are stopped by the police YOU MUST advise them of the presence of your firearm if u have a CCW or u will be subj to arrest, forfeiture of the gun and permit.



Anyone have dark tinted windows? The Supreme COurt allows me to compell u to keep your door open during the stop or for me to remove you and your passengers from the veh for my safety. Upon removal u and your passengers will be searched for my saftey and I can see ALOT with the door open.



If I see a weapon ( and I dont care if you are an off duty cop, because unless u tell me i dont know) you will have a Glock 23 . 40SW "screwed in your ear" (figuretively)



Passenger in a veh were the driver is going to jail? Supreme court allows me to search you too for my safety.



Driving ( in michigan) and forget your license, have expired plates or similar traffic misdemenor offenses? we'll that gets the shinny bracelet routine and I search you and your car. Anything found is admissable.



Going out to the bar or drinking? leave the gun at home ( should go without saying) but it is unlawful to carry or posses a firearm while under the influence. Just had a cop from a neighboring city get locked up over that one.



Vehs usually fall under a search warrant exception where probable cause exists. The veh, being mobile, can cause the loss of evidence if a search is not conducted immediately. IN this case though if the PC is not very strong or circumstantial in nature I will secure the veh and call the judge. But a good example of how it is an exception is : if I stop a veh and smell burnt or raw marijuana in the veh and the driver tells me to **** up a rope and nothing is in plain view then I'm still going to lawfully search that veh with out a warrant and everything will be admissable.



Just one more piece of advance too, if you carry a firearm, make sure it is CONCEALED. I can not stress how nervous it makes a cop to see a magizine or ammo rolling around on the front seat or a handle of a handgun poking out from between the seats many a good intentioned citizen and a few off duty cops have looked down the barrel of my Glock over this one. ALso if you carry your gun and your registration and insurance cards in the same place (center console or glove box) let the officer know the gun it there before you start reaching for stuff.



Hopefully this helps someone. I strongly belive in the 2nd ammendment and urge people to carry firearms, LEAGALY if they choose. My concealed off duty weapon saved me and my wife on one occasion in a parking garage in Detroit (the robber brought a knife to a gun fight). ALways check with your state attorney generals office for current law and remember ignorance of the law is not a defense in the court room.



Hope this helps

J-

JCyrbok, stuff like that is the REASON ALOT of people do not like police!

 

[Gifford]

Re: Re: CCW

Originally posted by TURBOs4LIFE

JCyrbok, stuff like that is the REASON ALOT of people do not like police!

here, here

 

[JCyrbok]

JCyrbok, stuff like that is the REASON ALOT of people do not like police!

Hey I could have not said anything and someone could have gotten in trouble for doing something that they did not think was "wrong"



What part did you particulary have a problem with Turbo?



J-

 

[Pit Bull]

Re: Re: CCW

Originally posted by TURBOs4LIFE

JCyrbok, stuff like that is the REASON ALOT of people do not like police!

That is funny, I think stuff like that is why I love Cops. If you are not a Dumb ass or a bad guy nothing he has said will affect you. Keep up the good work JCyrbok and stay safe.

 

[JCyrbok]

Thanks Pit Bull people like u are few and far between, but I've come to accept that in eight years. Most people only care about the police when they need them and no other time.



Thanks again, always safe and always having fun and always giving the taxpayers their monies worth and then some.



J-

 

[Mtngoat]

guns, guns, guns...

On any forum, guns always brings out a lot of emotions. I've been in Law Enforcement for 25 years. I have 2 weapons, my original . 357 Python and now carry a Glock . 40. The Python is retired to house duties. I can't remember the last time I carried off duty. I just never seem to notice the need, I guess, although when I venture into Kansas City, I am beginning to think more of carrying than ever before. But what worries me is people that carry, that don't need to will someday get backed into a corner, pull their weapon when they don't REALLY need to and that is where the trouble starts. If you pull a weapon, you better be ready to use it because now a days, there are people that will call your bluff and force you to use it..... or eat it. I've seen it time and time again where someone packs a gun, then pulls it to even things up, and gets in more trouble than he EVER imagined. I guess to make a long story short, if your going to carry a concealed weapon, its not enough to do it lawfully, but you should have the training to use the weapon and WHEN to use the weapon and knowledge of the weapon and its usage. And to be honest, not pointing fingers at anyone here, just a statement, there are people that are not mentally capable of the tremendous responsibility of having a weapon on them. I would imagine any other LE officers on this forum can tell you, they've been to scenes where loved ones have shot each other over something silly or accidentally and the devastation it can cause. Carrying concealed is cool, but can be costly in the long run unless you are mentally, physically, and training prepared to use it. Just my thots, no flames intended.



Robin