Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Which 12 gauge should I buy?

[cksh8me]

Converting a shotgun to pistol grip only doesn't make it a good defensive shotgun. It makes it hard to shoot and slower to put into action, harder to get a good second shot off.



There are maybe a couple of good reasons to have a pistol grip only but not if you are the average joe.

 

[icman95]

Actually, I do have a good reason. It fits well under the bunk in my RV. Very easy to travel with when I go into states where I cannot bring my handguns due to lack of permit in those states.

 

[cksh8me]

icman95 could you tell me what states don't allow you to have a handgun without a permit?



I don't know of any and would like to know.



Thanks

 

[MAleshire]

I've owned both the Remington 870 (Wingmaster and Express) and the Mossberg 500. The design on the Wingmaster and the Express is the same. The difference is in the finishing, so IMO they are functionally the same. The Mossberg is a good shotgun. Unless the design has changed, the difference between it and the Remington is that the Remington 870 has double slide bars on the pump, and the Mossberg has a single slide bar. IMO my opinion this is a difference in quality and potentially in reliability. On the Remingtons I've purchased interchangeable hunting barrels and shorter 20" home defense barrels. The entension tubes are not hard to change back and forth between the stock tube and the extension tube. You can have the best of both worlds with one gun, and if you watch for it you can pick these things up used at a very reasonable price.



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[MAleshire]

On the issue of CWPs, the NRA produces a pamphlet outlining which states require a permit, and which states have a reciprocal agreement to accept each others permits. I don't know if there is a charge for the publication, or if it is available to download for free from their website. This publication deals specifically with traveling from one state to another. Some cities require a permit, and in some cases state law supercedes city ordinances. So, it's best to have something that's updated and in writing.



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[JoshKelly]

Maybe Mossberg 835, something that can shoot 3 1/2" and still priced reasonably?

 

[cksh8me]

I live in one of the most regulated states as far as smog and firearms laws go.



I travel legally with a hand gun on a regular basis I have no special permit.



A CWP/CHL/CCW etc is another story.



An illeagly carried shotgun is an illegal gun as is a hand gun.

 

[icman95]

icman95 could you tell me what states don't allow you to have a handgun without a permit?



I don't know of any and would like to know.



Thanks

Sorry for the wait for the reply. Away for the holiday weekend.







Mine, for starters. CT used to allow us to purchase handguns w/o a CCW permit, but not carry it. If you wanted to carry it you needed a permit. That changed a few years ago. Now we're not allowed to purchase without a permit. No problem, I have a permit in CT, NH, and ME. What I was meant in my previous post is that most states will allow someone to have a long gun without a permit, while requiring a permit to carry or own a handgun. If I travel to a state where I don't have a hand gun permit, but still want to have a piece of protective equipment with me, I leave my hand guns at home and bring a long gun. That's where the shotgun comes in.



On the other side on the spectrum is Vermont where they don't even require a permit as long as the owner/carrier is over the age of 16. I will say that I haven't checked on this in about 3 years, so I guess it's possible that it changed since then, but I haven't heard. When I first heard about this, I was so shocked that I contacted their Dept. of Public Safety just to make sure and they confirmed that this was true. They did say, however, that there are some local ordinances from place to place that have different restrictions/requirements.



I am aware that there are many states that offer reciprocity to any other state that also recognizes CCW's from other states. I don't have that luxury. CT refuses to recognize any other state's permit, so those states won't recognize CT's. Before I applied for a N. H. permit, I checked on that. N. H. will recognize any other state that does the same for them, but they said CT wasn't on their list, so I needed to get a N. H. permit.

 

[cksh8me]

I'm shocked to say maybe California isn't as bad as CT.



What is this country coming too.

 

[icman95]

It gets worse. If you want to purchase a long gun in CT there are a couple of options. If you have a hunting license or pistol permit the gun dealer can use the info on either to call in to the state's instant background check number and get approval right away to sell it. If you don't have either permit, then the paperwork gets mailed into the state and you must wait 14 days for a reply before you are allowed to take your rifle home. Normally, this doesn't bother most people, as they have the required permits that allow them to purchase the gun right away. It is sort of a way to require pistol permits for long guns, but not exactly as the 2 week waiting period is the way around that.



My neighbors to the north in Mass have it even worse. The have something called the F. I. D. card, or Firearms Identification Card. They are not allowed to own ANYTHING without this card. No handguns, no long guns, and-get this-it's my understanding no ammo either without this card. The assumption by the state is that if you don't have the card, then you don't have guns and, therefore, don't need ammo. Once you get a card to just own a pistol, you are not allowed to carry it without applying for a different type of permit. Normally they will let you have it in your home or while traveling to a range or gun show. While traveling it must be inoperable and in a case. If you are lucky enough to get a carry permit then you can leave it in one piece while traveling so long as it is on your person. Get caught without an FID card and go directly to jail for a mandatory one year sentence. Nice folks up there, huh?

 

[AMink]

Well, if I ever move, I will refer back to this thread to decide where NOT to move! So far, CA, MASS, and CT!:-laf



What part of "shall not be infringed" is so difficult to understand? Kind of like what part of "Illegal immigrant" is tough?

 

[icman95]

I'm with you there. Having said all that, if you go through the permitting process and have no problems you can walk into a gun store and walk out with whatever they have same day. Just requires the permit.

 

[KCraft]

mossberg 590!!!

 

[icman95]

You know, I was rethinking my answer to this thread's question "Which 12 gauge should I buy?" Simply put: All of them!

 

[Dave04]

I just bought a 870 syn with 6+1. Very good well balanced and great gun. Had a little trouble ejecting rounds but alittle oil fixed that.