Ordering new work truck

[jhenderson]

Sometimes "work truck" means carrying around 2000 lbs of tools.....for work.
I often see "work trucks" that are half tons. It merits quantifying what "work truck" means, instead of assuming.

3500 tradesman is the first description. I take people at their word until they prove different.

 

[kthaxton]

"3500 Tradesman" still doesn't automatically mean towing a 15k backhoe, it could still mean 2k in tools in the bed....or 5k landscaping trailer.

Work truck is a broad term, you could have just as easily assumed wrong just as 12v did.

 

[SnoKing]

So if one recommends an Aisin and it is not needed, is that not better than recommending a 68RFE when an Aisin is what they should have gotten. Kinda goes with "one can not have to much truck" vs I screwed up and did not get enough truck!

One can go wrong with a 68RFE, however would be hard press going wrong by opt'ing for the Aisin.

Despite the fact that RAM says a 68RFE truck similar to my Aisin equiped truck can tow a trailer that weighs 17,200 pounds vs my rating of 17,050, lets put them both of a steep grade and see which does better starting out with their max trailers out back.

SnoKing

 

[Cummins12V98]

Sometimes "work truck" means carrying around 2000 lbs of tools.....for work.
I often see "work trucks" that are half tons. It merits quantifying what "work truck" means, instead of assuming.

EXACTLY! Op did NOT MENTION HEAVE HAULING on first posted question.

 

[NIsaacs]

I'd use 4 low (or 2 low with the BD kit) for that scenario regardless of which transmission you have.

I agree. A few days ago I drove my son's '16 Mega Dually with a load of rebar up 4 miles of logging road. I used 4 low and 1st gear. I didn't have a clue how to set the transmission temp gauge but the engine had the fan kicked in the whole way. ECT was two needle widths past center. With no lock up and no exhaust brake, it required a lot of brakes on the down hill.

I hauled his skid steer with my truck about 3 miles on the same road before I spun out and we unloaded it. With the manual 6 speed I never got over 190, 2nd gear, 4 low. The down grades required very little foot brakes.

 

[jhenderson]

"3500 Tradesman" still doesn't automatically mean towing a 15k backhoe, it could still mean 2k in tools in the bed....or 5k landscaping trailer.

Work truck is a broad term, you could have just as easily assumed wrong just as 12v did.

He’s had a raft of trucks before this order. How likely is it that a business owner would would spend an unnecessary $2,000 + on a truck with “ minimalistic” in the title. Construction industry and 4 doors. tells me it’s getting worked. He asked what options he’d regret not getting. Not should I get the the upgrade auto.

 

[SnoKing]

He’s had a raft of trucks before this order. How likely is it that a business owner would would spend an unnecessary $2,000 + on a truck with “ minimalistic” in the title. Construction industry and 4 doors. tells me it’s getting worked. He asked what options he’d regret not getting. Not should I get the the upgrade auto.

Maybe Aisin envy?

Like I said, the noise usually comes from someone without an Aisin.

 

[Beast2B]

does the Aisin have 2nd gear torque converter lock up?

 

[Cummins12V98]

does the Aisin have 2nd gear torque converter lock up?

Sure does and so does the 68RFE.

I used it going down several miles of 14% grade towing a combined 33k with my AISIN/4.10 DRW. ZERO overheating going up or down that grade.

 

[zac skaar]

The load of a backhoe, I think that your first question should be “ will a 3500 hold up to the work” . In my mind that is a lot of weighting put on that frame and suspension. I’d consider a 4500 or a 5500 with whatever transmission you have been talked into

 

[Cummins2014]

Maybe Aisin envy?

Like I said, the noise usually comes from someone without an Aisin.

Deleted, not worth the effort

 

[Cummins2014]

The load of a backhoe, I think that your first question should be “ will a 3500 hold up to the work” . In my mind that is a lot of weighting put on that frame and suspension. I’d consider a 4500 or a 5500 with whatever transmission you have been talked into

You went ,and did it now, wait until you hear from the dually guy towing I believe 33K combined

 

[zac skaar]

You went ,and did it now, wait until you hear from the dually guy towing I believe 33K combined

Just throwing gasoline on an already raging inferno

 

[Cummins2014]

Just throwing gasoline on an already raging inferno

This guys work truck is towing a popup compared to that overloaded dually

 

[Cummins2014]

So if one recommends an Aisin and it is not needed, is that not better than recommending a 68RFE when an Aisin is what they should have gotten. Kinda goes with "one can not have to much truck" vs I screwed up and did not get enough truck!

One can go wrong with a 68RFE, however would be hard press going wrong by opt'ing for the Aisin.

Despite the fact that RAM says a 68RFE truck similar to my Aisin equiped truck can tow a trailer that weighs 17,200 pounds vs my rating of 17,050, lets put them both of a steep grade and see which does better starting out with their max trailers out back.

SnoKing

The guy needs a Aisin for what he is doing. Everyone has acknowledged the fact. You can sleep at night now

 

[grabinov]

Can anyone tell me why the Ram truck website still shows only 2018 HD trucks when, as the original post clearly states, we are well past the order date for 2018 models??

 

[Brian Bare]

Truth is, I don't tow that heavy very often. The equipment I was pulling when I slipped my 68 was borrowed from my grading contactor. I have always ran srw trucks cause I couldn't justify burning 6 tires at a time with the amount of towing that I do.

 

[Brian Bare]

I've noticed during this process that I could buy a 4500 cc truck and a nice aluminum bed for about the same money as the 3500 swr truck. I had to seriously consider it cause I'm just a fiend for overkill. I'm not a mechanic guys, I'm a structural framing contractor. I want the aisin instead of the 68 mostly because I think it's stronger and I can afford it even if it is overkill. I would also love to have bigger axles and brakes but I've been made to understand that the 4500 and 5500 have detuned engines that are quite noticeably weaker than the pickups. I've got some colleges that have always bought 3500 trucks and deleted the beds before adding flat beds for that reason. They also tell me the ride is noticeably worse with the cc trucks. Again, I'm just going on hear say, as I've never owned or driven a cc truck. I'm trusting their word just as I'm trusting yours. Thanks again for all the input, you guys are awesome.

 

[Brian Bare]

Can anyone tell me why the Ram truck website still shows only 2018 HD trucks when, as the original post clearly states, we are well past the order date for 2018 models??

I've wondered the same thing, my dealer has been having trouble building a truck for me altogether. They're saying the site has been glitchy. I'm hoping they can get it together in time to guarantee I'll get my truck this year as I'm planning to depreciate it on 18's returns...

 

[Cummins2014]

I've noticed during this process that I could buy a 4500 cc truck and a nice aluminum bed for about the same money as the 3500 swr truck. I had to seriously consider it cause I'm just a fiend for overkill. I'm not a mechanic guys, I'm a structural framing contractor. I want the aisin instead of the 68 mostly because I think it's stronger and I can afford it even if it is overkill. I would also love to have bigger axles and brakes but I've been made to understand that the 4500 and 5500 have detuned engines that are quite noticeably weaker than the pickups. I've got some colleges that have always bought 3500 trucks and deleted the beds before adding flat beds for that reason. They also tell me the ride is noticeably worse with the cc trucks. Again, I'm just going on hear say, as I've never owned or driven a cc truck. I'm trusting their word just as I'm trusting yours. Thanks again for all the input, you guys are awesome.

Well it sounds like overkill, but you explained it , you can afford it. Have at it .