CODE RED/911 !! Help needed gen I truck heater relay problem?????

[motorheadmic]

911 !! Help needed gen I truck heater relay problem?????

HI, I have a gen I truck..... won't run. Think it's heater relay trouble

Dodge doesn't have them..... any ideas..... Truck did start and run the day it died. Got to where i was going to shift into 4th and

started bucking... ... smoking like a son of a b-tch. Anyway didn't

seem to hear the normal clicking... ... so that's why I think it's the relays. Any and all help would be great... ... have to lose the mini van..... ya know..... thanx,MP

 

[blacksheepdiesel]

Need more info MP. What are outside temps where you are? How long since last fuel filter change? If the 1st Gen has a prefilter has it been cleaned? Are you getting electrical current to the wire going into the fuel injection pump? Are you getting electrical current to the fuel heater? How many miles on engine? Also possible on the 1st Gen is the fusible link wire for the ignition melted?



Trent

 

[motorheadmic]

Trent, Filters are good, cooooolllddddd. ,that day 10 or less. Juice???... havn't got there yet..... think it's fine... . but????

She's got like 160+... ... and link is good... ... been there done that.

Fuel heater wire shorted on block and burnt the link a couple of years ago. Thanx,MP

 

[paccool]

MP,



How long did it run before it quit? The fact that it started and ran leads me to believe it is not the air heaters. They may not be working but I think it would still run. Just smoke like a Bi**h as you said. Do you use any fuel conditioners to prevent gelling? It sounds like it may have gelled or you got a little water in the line that may have froze up. After it quit, did you put it in a garage or is it sitting outside? If outside, has it warmed up since this happened?



Had you done any work on the truck just prior to this happening?



I know, lots of questions here.

 

[motorheadmic]

Hey Stan, Ok. . was very cold that morning... she fired up. . let it run... putted over to the nephews(right next store)was idling in driveway... . seamed fine then... . got in backed up,drove down the street... ... and then all hell broke loose. I pulled over,seamed to idle fine... . went to increase rpm... . and it didn't like it to much. Drove the old girl home... puttin... . shut her down. Took a look under the hood... . just checkin... . turned the key..... and didn't hear

the clicking... did it again..... i think you can hear the timer... or something..... but no click. No work had been done before this... . well tie rod end a couple weeks ago but that isn't going to cause this. That same day i did try to restart... . cranked over... seamed like it wanted to..... i did just a few days before put some fresh juice in her. Never had problem with the diesel from there. No i didn't use any anti-gel..... but its on the shelf in the garage... : 0 ) ya i know... . hope to take a better look soon..... oh. . it's still outside... ... thanx,MP

 

[dcamilleri]

sounds to me like a fuel delivery problem. If it is cold enough outside to gel the fuel it will stop you in your tracks with no fuel heater. You could BORROW the wifes hair drier and apply heat to the fuel filter and see if that helps. Also check for fuel pressure from your lift pump to the filter housing and after the housing, next check power to your injection pump solenoid. Since the truck started and ran I doubt if it is a grid heater problem. Also note that if the filter was waxed shut, it is possible to loose your prime in the engine as the engine will burn the fuel in the injection lines until it starts drawing air then it will die. Restarting should be done the same as if it was run out of fuel. Applying heat to the filter will disolve the wax if that is your problem. A little trick I use to start engines like this is to spray wd40 into the intake to help the engine start until it is reprimed. If this is your problem blend your fuel with some #1 50/50 and use your additive. I have had many problems like you speak of when it gets real cold around here, usually -20f or colder can be a real pain even with operating fuel heaters. Hope this helps. Dave

 

[BushWakr - RIP]

Your problem is not likely the heaters... ...



You have something else going on here... .



It is a fuel issue, possibly the start/stop solenoid, lift pump, injection pump, injector(s) to start with...



I'm going to copy this thread into the 1st Gen forum for some extra exposure and have those guys work it out with ya...

Between this post and the copy you'll be up and working pretty quick I bet. .



bob

 

[JLEONARD]

MP, sounds like a fuel gelling problem to me. Our temps around here are cold enough to have problems if you don't use an additive.

But it was pretty warm yesterday so if it were parked in the sun it should be fine.

Where in CT are you?

Jay

 

[motorheadmic]

Thanx for all the replies.....

First... ... ... Thanx guys..... for the replies...



I found some time today to check this out a little better. It is a fuel problem..... not the relays. I think what i did was try a few things that day(ign switch on and off a couple times) So that would have made the temp in the intake high enough that the heaters wouldn't have cycled again. They did today. I'm going to replace the WS/FF just for ha-ha's... . i'm thinking more like the lift pump,fuel solenoid????..... i'll check lift pump pressure,etc tomorrow. And Jay... ... i'm in Enfield..... a couple of gallons from you..... i'll keep you posted... ... just for everybody's info... . everything on this truck is stock... ... the OEM battery just came out of it in Dec and is in my old plow truck..... i havn't had to do or replace anything or than air,fuel filters, brakes and tires.....

and it always fires right up..... it doesn't crank a full turn... and she's running... ... ..... thanks,MP

 

[bgilbert]

Fuel gelling problem period. Don't trust the fuel station to treat there fuel. Use additive, run some water remover through tank to get rid of water in tank, lines as these can freeze up on ya too. This is for future reference I know, this isnt going to get you running. Go to parts store, truck stop, buy some 'winter fuel meltdown, emergency melt down etc, its an additive you pour into your tank and remove fuel filter and empty the fuel, wax compound and fill filter with this additive, after given time on the directions it should melt or ungell your fuel. Once you get it running, I would suggest, topping off your tank, put proper amount of fuel additive/anti-gel, run a couple bottles of 'IsoHeet", its a premium water remover for diesels. Then drive around for a few miles, to ensure your fuel is mixed up real well, and the entire system gets treated. Bill

 

[dpuckett]

bgilbert-

I agree with you on most points, except the IsoHeet. Isnt that alcohol? If so, I'd stay away from it. There are dozens of fuel conditioners made specifically for diesel fuel without adding alcohol to a fuel system that is already starved for lubrication in terms of what it gets today and what it was designed for 20 years ago. Yes, it has been 20 years since the Super B was introduced, maybe a few more. VE came about in the late 70s, I think.